Mary Douglas c 1834.....

[audrey]

Jean
this is John & Marys son in 1891with his family in Hebburn dont know where he was in 1881 he was not with his parents in Carlisle. sorry the one you found is not the right family from the age of his children I would say he was still unmarried in 1881

Hebburn /Jarrow


Catherine Sewell abt 1861 Carlisle, Cumberland, England Wife

David Sewell abt 1900 Hebburn Quay, Durham, England Son

Francis Sewell abt 1893 Hebburn Quay, Durham, England Son

George Sewell abt 1895 Hebburn Quay, Durham, England Son

Henretta Sewell abt 1888 Workington, Cumberland Daughter

John Sewell abt 1858 Carlisle, Cumberland, England Head

John Sewell abt 1886 Dumfriece, Scotland Son

Mary A Sewell abt 1884 Carlisle, Cumberland, England

Robert Sewell abt 1897 Hebburn Quay, Durham, England Son

William Sewell abt 1891 Hebburn Quay, Durham, England Son

audrey




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[audrey]

Jean
I should of said
James Sewell was the oldest son b 1854
John Sewell was born 1857[this is the John Sewell with the son John born 1886 Dumfriece
William Sewell b 1867
Robert Sewell b 1870 [my grandfather]
John Sewell b 1828 and Mary Douglas b 1834[Dumfries were living Hare & Hound Lane Botchergate Carlisle when first found 1861

audrey

[JustJean]

Hi Audrey

Well I certainly am muddying the waters today

Ok....then if John and Catherine weren't married in 1881....I'm assuming that this is Catherine at home:

Dwelling: 7 Seerys Court
Census Place: Rickergate, Cumberland, England
Source: FHL Film 1342244 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5157 Folio 107 Page 31
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Thomas HENRY M 68 M Ireland
Rel: Head
Occ: Shoemaker
Mary Ann HENRY U 57 F Ireland
Rel: Daur
Kate HENRY U 20 F Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Weaver (Cotton)
John HENRY U 15 M Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Marble Mason App
Thomas HENRY 12 M Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
George MURPHY U 19 M Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Rel: Boarder
Occ: Marble Polisher Mason

and you'd think that John wouldn't be far away.....so what about...

Dwelling: 7 Scotts Lane Rickergate
Census Place: Rickergate, Cumberland, England
Source: FHL Film 1342244 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5157 Folio 118 Page 8
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John BOYLE W 92 M Ireland
Rel: Head
Occ: Wool And Manuf Commission Agent
Margaret A. SEWELL M 24 F Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Rel: Grand Daur
Occ: Housekeeper
John J. SEWELL 5 M Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Rel: Gt Grand Son
Occ: Scholar
John SEWELL M 25 M Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Butcher

Does this occupation fit with your later data?

Best wishes
Jean (determined to salvage something useful from this )

[JustJean]

but then again that's probably not him if he is married to the Margaret Sewell also enumerated....but we don't know this....he might just be a lodger!!

Later edit....of course that M does stand for married doesn't it?

That's it...I quit for the day
Best wishes
Jean

[audrey]

Jean I think I might of found the link to Greenbrae Dumfries


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Re: 1861 Carlisle
JOHN & MARY SEWELL formaly DOUGLAS


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3 Fodens? Court Botchergate Cumberland
John Sewell 33 Preston, Lancashire, Head Married Cotton spinner
Mary Sewell 27 Scotland Wife Married
James Sewell 8 Carlisle, Cumberland, Son
John Sewell 4Carlisle, Cumberland, Son
Mary A Sewell 17mths Carlisle, Cumberland, Daughter
Edward Cairns 19 Carlisle, Cumberland, Boarder Unmarried Cotton stripper

I just put in 1851 census for Dumfries GREENBRAE and up poped a Sewell grandson of a Cairns

this is details of the birth cert

John Sewell b 24/12/1885 at Greenbrae Loaning Greenbrae Dumfries
father John Sewell
mother Catherine Sewell[formally Henry] home address Fitzby Workington
what do you think ?

audrey

[nelmit]

Hi Jean and Audrey,

I'm not going to help much here. I could kick myself for not looking at Greenbrae Loaning on the 1891 census when I was at The Mitchell today.
Bye the way Audrey it still exists today.
Here's how it looked in the 1890's map showing Greenbrae

I had a look at the OPR film today for any sign of Mary's birth but could not find one. However I did find one for her sister Jean as submitted on the IGI. This was in Lockerbiehill as per census.

Audrey, I think if you have proof that Mary's maiden name is Douglas then I would certainly be claiming this lot as my family.

This looks like brother John in 1881

Dwelling: Tundergarth Road Lockerbie Hill Cottage
Census Place: Dryfesdale, Dumfries, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0224047 GRO Ref Volume 820 EnumDist 2 Page 1
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John DOUGLAS M 43 M Dryfesdale, Dumfries, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Estate Overseer
Martha DOUGLAS M 41 F Urr, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Occ: Overseers Wife
Robert DOUGLAS 8 M Dryfesdale, Dumfries, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Elizabeth S. DOUGLAS 4 F Dryfesdale, Dumfries, Scotland
Rel: Daughter
Jemima HALLIDAY U 22 F Johnstone, Dumfries, Scotland
Rel: Servant
Occ: Domestic Servant
John ROBISON 1 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Nephew

Kind regards,
Annette M

[audrey]

nemit
thank you could you please tell me how to go about downloading the map please

audrey

[nelmit]

nemit
thank you could you please tell me how to go about downloading the map please

audrey

The map can be found at www.nls.uk.

Annette M

[JustJean]

Hi Audrey and Annette

I said I was going to quit didn't I?.....

Audrey I honestly can't tell you if I think that is a link in your SEWELL family to the CAIRNS name or not. I've looked everywhere hoping to find your John SEWELL in 1851 in Scotland but I don't find him. You'd think he'd be nearby Mary in Dumfries somewhere. If the Thomas SEWELL living with grandparents in Greenbrae Canonbie is a brother or nephew or cousin to your John then that would explain why John (who states in 1861 that he was born in Lancashire!! would have been hanging around in Dumfries. It would also explain the presence of a boarder named CAIRNS in the household of John and Mary in 1861. I just looked to try and find Thomas SEWELL in 1881 and I'm not finding him. I also just looked to try and find the Edward CAIRNS in 1881 and the only one that looks possible is:

Dwelling: Taylors Court
Census Place: Caldewgate, Cumberland, England
Source: FHL Film 1342245 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5159 Folio 7 Page 7
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward CAIRNS M 40 M Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Grinder In Cotton Mill (Manuf)
Elizabeth A. CAIRNS M 40 F Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Rel: Wife
Emily CAIRNS 12 F Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
John CAIRNS 10 M Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Edward CAIRNS 7 M Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Frank CAIRNS 5 M Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
James CAIRNS 2 M Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Rel: Son
William CAIRNS 14 d M Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Rel: Son

....which is really not the best news as the address of Caldewgate has brought me back to the beginning where I thought I had found John SEWELL and Catherine...but it was not them!!! So there!!! Yes I'm as confused as I was when I got up today

Like Annette has said....I do think that is the right DOUGLAS family with little Mary....but darned if I can help you get the connection to John SEWELL & family untangled!

Best wishes
Jean

[audrey]

I am very gratefull for your help this Sewell/Douglas family have had me beaten for over 20 years I dought if I will ever find the answer in this life I think I will go look for Robert Douglas b Hawick I might get better luck there
thank you so much

audrey