Going Out Of Mind In Canada.....

[Wanda Stevenson]

Thank you all, you have been more than helpful. I believe what you've all found is what I'm looking for, Now if I could find Johns parents - John and Jean Stevenson, can't find John birth What I have is maybe 1783 but can't prove it. You have all be incredable, thank you, you have really helped me alot, at least giving me the nerve to continue rather than throwing the whole thing in the trash!!!!!!!!!
Thanks again guys
Wanda

[Jack]

Hi folks,
It would seem there is a lot of confusion by son John on his father's 1870 DC....
Thus John STEVENSON's mother's maiden name is still uncertain - son John wasn't even sure of his age.
Didn't know his own mother's m.s. either - where did he get BROCKFIELD?
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Isabella STEVENSON (42 yrs) d. 12 OCT 1865 at 163 Cowcaddens St, Glasgow.
Married to John STEVENSON, soap boiler (foreman).
Parents - Robert MUIRHEAD (Dcd), city porter & Margaret YUILL (Dcd).
Informant - John Stevenson, husband, present.
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John STEVENSON (about 44 yrs), soap manufacturer manager, d. 12 MAR 1870 at 117 Port Dundas Rd.
Domicile - 41 Burnside St, Glasgow.
Widower of Isabella BROCKFIELD.
Parents - John STEVENSON (Dcd), carting contractor & Isabella MUIRHEAD (Dcd).
Informant - John Stevenson, son, 41 Burnside St, Glasgow.
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Jack

[Wanda Stevenson]

Thanks for your help, but I think you have the wrong John (or someone does) ANyway, hopefully this will help I think:

John 1 born about 1779 died who knows
John 2 born 1819 died before 1870 WIFE was Isabella Muirhead
John 3 born 1846 died 1870 That would make him 24 I guess,
now I'm confused on the info you sent it had Isabella mentioned as Johns mother, when actually it was his wife. If we are talking about John2 his parents were John and Jean (Walker) Unless John 3 was informant and listed his mother as his fathers mother instead of his fathers wife. Get it? I'm not sure I do.......
Anyway, thanks
Wanda

[Jack]

Hi Wanda,
I've quite a few DCs that have wrong info - but other factors helped to confirm that i had the right person.
In the case of the John who died 1870 (aged abt 44) it's hard to ignore his distinctive occupation of soapboiler,
and the mention of an Isabella MUIRHEAD (albeit not as his wife...) on the DC.
But that's not, i know, proof - just a fairly good possibility.
Finding the DC of David (b~1823) might help - ie if he survived till 1855.
Hopefully he too would be a soapboiler, with his parents correctly named.
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"John 1 born about 1779 died who knows."
There's a fair chance that John 1 died pre 1855 as he'd be about 74yrs old by then.
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"John 2 born 1819 died before 1870 WIFE was Isabella Muirhead."
May i ask why you know John 2 died before 1870?
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"John 3 born 1846 died 1870 That would make him 24."
What date did John 3 die in 1870? What are his DC details?
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"Unless John 3 was informant and listed his mother as his fathers mother instead of his fathers wife."
Can't see it any other way, and there was some confusion over the names.
Son John 3 (or Registrar) could've made mistakes.
John may have misunderstood the questions or, the Registrar his answers.
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Jack
ps, Hi Liz, it seems that candlemakers & soapboilers were, at least, quite closely connected trades.
This from the history of Proctor & Gamble.
http://www.pg.com/company/who_we_are/ou ... WAVABHMLKG
"On April 12, 1837, William Procter and James Gamble start making and selling their soap and candles."
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[Wanda Stevenson]

Thanks again for your help.
John 2 also had a son Robert who got married on Dec 23, 1870. On his marriage licence he stated both parents had passed away.
Actually I have a DC for I THOUGHT was John 3, but now reading it I think it's the one you have for John 2 it lists his age at 44. So that would mean he was born around 1826 and John 3 was born in 1846 but John 2 was born in 1819 not 1826, so I'm really confused.
Wanda

[Jack]

Hi Wanda,
I'm presuming - never wise, but no option at the moment - that the John STEVENSON who died in 1870 is John 2.
No proof, but strongish circumstantial evidence.

Your G-GF Robert's mother Isabella MUIRHEAD died 1865.
John 2 dies 12 MAR 1870 - near 9 months before the marriage of Robert on 23 DEC 1870.
So both parents as deceased on his MC would be correct.

The age of John 2 on the 1870 DC actually says "about 44 yrs", and NOT just "44yrs".
If this age was right, then he was born abt 1826 - but son John 3 wasn't at all sure, hence the "about 44 yrs".
Ages on DCs aren't always correct, and 6 or 7yrs adrift could well be acceptable if all else fits.
But unfortunately son John 3 (or registrar) would appear to have made mistakes on the wife & parents of John 2.

Unless a DC can be found for another John STEVENSON, a soapboiler or similar married to an Isabella MUIRHEAD,
then i'll be very surprised if it isn't John 2 on the 1870 DC.

But it is your family, and needs to be your decision....
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Jack
ps, this might be John 3.
JOHN STEVENSON
FLORA MONTGOMERY
Marriage: 26 AUG 1870 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
--some children--
ISABELLA MUIRHEAD STEVENSON - Birth: 31 JUL 1872 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
JOHN STEVENSON - Birth: 11 JUN 1874 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
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[Wanda Stevenson]

You're a sweetheart!!!!!!!! Thank you, and I agree, you are probably right, I'll go with that information. Maybe in 100 years, someone will prove us wrong, but by then I won't care:)
Again thank you
Wanda

[Jack]

Hi Wanda,
This might be John STEVENSON's brother David.
I don't know if these 3 censuses are all of the same man - first two look like they may be, but an occupation change.
Whether he's the brother to your John i couldn't say - occupation in 1851 fits though.
I've a small doubt on the 1881 because of slight age differences and area.
But Lyon Street was quite near to Burnside St - the home address of John STEVENSON when he died in 1870.
Maybe where this David & Agnes are in 1871 would help. So might his DC.
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DAVID STEVENSON
AGNES MCLELLAN
Marriage: 15 JUL 1842 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
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1851 cens 644-1 (559) Ed 11 p 23 (College or Blackfriars)
90 Havannah Street.
David STEVENSON, head, marr, 29, soap boiler, b Glasgow, LKS
Agnes STEVENSON, wife, marr, 28, housekeeper, b Glasgow, LKS
Elizth. STEVENSON, daur, 8, --------------b Glasgow, LKS
Margt. STEVENSON, daur, 3, ------------b Glasgow, LKS
Margt. ROBB, visitor, u/m 24, servant, b Glasgow, LKS
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1861 cens 644-2 Ed 34 p 10 (College or Blackfriars)
77 Havannah Street.
David STEVENSON, head, marr, 37, flour miller, b Glasgow, LKS
Agnes McLELLAN, wife, marr, 37, do's wife, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret STEVENSON, daur, 13, cottonmill weaver, b Glasgow, LKS
David STEVENSON, son, 6, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
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1881 Census Place: Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: 50 Lyon Street Door 9
Source: FHL Film 0203657 GRO Ref Volume 644-8 EnumDist 45 Page 4
David STEVENSON M 54 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Night Watchman
Agnes STEVENSON M 52 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Charwoman
Margt. STEVENSON U 32 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Sister Occ: Mill Worker
[if this David is John's brother, then Margt. as sister is wrong - should be daur]
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Jack

[Wanda Stevenson]

Jack;

Thanks, as usual I think you're right. You really are a life saver.
Wanda

[Jack]

Hi Wanda,

David STEVENSON (55) d. 14 May 1882 at 50 Lyon St.
Wife - Agnes McLELLAN.
Pas - John STEVENSON, harbour labourer & Jeanie WALKER.

Jack