Help needed.....

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:07 pm

Hi again

thomsos wrote:I have found a Geo. and Jane Williamson on the 1861 census for Calton, with Geo. 3 and William 9mths, this looks like this could be my family, but Jane's age does not match with her death, according to her death she was 62 when she died in 1904, which would make her birth 1842, but on the 1861 census, it says she is 30, which makes the birth 1831, it also makes Geo and Jane about the same age
What anyone's opinion on this?
thomsos

Yes...most certain this is your family in 1861.....you can track Jane through to the 1841 census!!!!

Best wishes
Jean

thomsos · Post by **thomsos** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:39 pm

I think I have found Jane on the 1841/1851 census with father, mother and 3 sisters, but on Jane death cert. mothers name is Christina, and on the census it is Constance, I also think I have found her sisters Margaret's marriage, guess who to, John Williamson born abt 1824, but her mothers name is listed as Mary Muir!
I have found 3 John Williamson's on the 1841/1851 census, all right age, but not sure what one I should pay for, or is it a matter of paying for them all...........
I have found John on the 1841 census, and he has a brother George, age 10, I take it this is my George, but I guess we are not going to find out what happened to him!
thomsos

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:19 pm

OMG I think we've cracked it!! Your find of John Burton Williamson and Margaret's marriage is nothing short of stupendous!!

Try this on for size.....on their MC note John's mother's name. Nice and unusual. Then go looking for her death. Again...no prob to find....but I was hoping to pick up John as an informant so we could compare his signature there to the John Williamson signature on baby William's DC. Too bad.....no such luck. But it is luck in that we now know there is a sister named Rachel in the mix!! So go ahead and be bold and search for the Williamson family in 1841 with knowing the family names of Adam and Barabara and Rachel

....yup....you'll find them in Barony......and they had a brother named George

! Is this the missing George????... perhaps he wasn't fibbing and had been born in Glasgow all along. Still can't tell you where he went but I feel these are excellent pointers that this could be the right George. As for the confusion over Mary Muir as Margaret's mother as opposed to Christina or Constance.....

I really couldn't say......

So what do you think????

Best wishes
Jean

thomsos · Post by **thomsos** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:34 pm

YES I think we have it, I might even be getting the hang of this searching
Cheers
thomsos

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:40 pm

thomsos wrote:YES I think we have it, I might even be getting the hang of this searchingCheers
thomsos

$\:D/$

Best wishes
Jean

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:18 am

Hi again thomsos

Well...

..I have another huge chunk of news for you. Finally got around to the inevitable search.....looked for births with a surname PEEL in Bridgeton from 1855 til 1861 and you'll learn real quick why we can't find a marriage for Jane and George

.....matter of fact......I'd bet sums of money right now that he dinnae die....but maybe he just sort of slipped off into the sunset

!

I also did a look see at one of the births to John and Margaret to see if John had signed and sure enough the signature looks quite close to the John signature on the death of William. Course by then John was married to Jane's sister Margaret so he was the baby's uncle that way....but he just may have been the baby's uncle on both sides

. Still can't prove that little piece. If you want to learn more about John you'll note that Margaret PEEL is his second wife. His first one died in 1855.....and you'll find her easy enough. John was a soldier during his first marriage......makes me wonder if his brother George might have been one too??? That might be an avenue to explore.........

Best wishes
Jean

thomsos · Post by **thomsos** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:04 am

Jean,
What's the best way to investigate the soldier avenue, and yes I think George has just gone......... never to be found again, if there is no marriage cert. is it possible they just never married? and is there any chance of finding a death cert? can't even find his birth, maybe he didn't exist.......
thomsos

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:20 pm

Hi thomsos

To find John's military record would be one thing but to possibly find George would not be simple! I've seen the regiment that John was in named on various certificates but that is no certainty that his brother could have joined the same outfit. If you visit the National Archives website http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp you might get lucky and find a reference to him online. From this you could request copies be mailed to you. If no WO records show up in the database then you'd have to resort to a trip to Kew to search the records yourself or hire someone to do it on your behalf. I'm sadly unfamiliar with a lot of military searching and for my own investigations have always relied on a hired gun

It is possible though to obtain some interesting data even from the 1850's.

In looking over all the material again I'm no more certain than before of what might have become of George. There are a lot of babies being born and dying between Jane and her sister Margaret. It's most interesting to note that Jane registered two children born illegitimately both of whom subsequently died. There however is not one bit of proof who the 3 yr old George is on the 1861 census. I even considered that perhaps he was a child of a first marriage of George Williamson to another woman who had died but that doesn't seem possible either!

Best wishes
Jean

thomsos · Post by **thomsos** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:35 pm

Jean,
I think I need to give George a rest for a little while, I feel as through I am going round in circles with this family, I will try someone else them come back to him with a fresh start, oh to have a family with less common names...........
thanks for all you help
best wishes
thomsos

thomsos · Post by **thomsos** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:34 pm

help with this old chestnut again, I just cannot find anything concrete on this family
as out lined before -
(1861 Calton, Glasgow census)
George Williamson (cotton Weaver) born between abt 1831 Married Jane Peel (winder) born abt1831 (they had 2 sons George 1859 and William 1861)

Jane married Daniel Mclaren in Bridgeton 1870, stating she was a widow
Jane is on the 1841 (age 10) & 1851 (age18) calton census with her parent - Isaac and Constance and she has a sister who married a John Williamson, possibly Geo. brother!!

Jane died Dennistoun1904 age 62, which makes her birth year 1942, which does not tie into the census ( I have her death cert, which states she was married to Geo, and Daniel, so looks like the correct Jane)

I also have this 1841 census of Williamson's which could be my Geo as I think this is the John who married Jane's sister Margaret Peel

(1841 census) - http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-647

I can't find birth, marriage or death for George, or Jane's, birth or marriage to George

I am sorry if this seems like old ground, but maybe a fresh look from someone may shed some light

Thanks
thomsos