Hi To All
I would like to thank all that have given me advice/help on Janet.
I have uploaded the information that I was given for the family & on her for all to see.
90% of this infromation I have been able to verify.
I would welcome any comments
The file in the gallery is named Johnson
Regards
baldy (au)
Janet Agnes Beattie.....
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Baldy
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Hi Jean
I do not know how long it takes for the images to come online in the gallery for others to see.
Here is what I have just uploaded.
Sarah Crosbie Johnson B 31 October 1857,Locharbriggs,Dumfriss d.28 Jan 1941,87 College Street.Maxwelltown,Dumfries.
Marrie Ebenezer Beattie,31 December 1886 in Police Commissioners Stables,son of William Beattie & Janet Callendar.
notes:-
Ebenezer Beattie,38 Scavenger,batchelor
William Beattie,ploughman (deceased)
Sarah Johnston,Scavanger,spinster
James Johnston,carter
Agnes Johnston ms Rogerson
Witness Lizzie Johnston
Sarah buried at St Michaels Churchyard Dumfries.
Inscription Reads
In loving memeory of James Johnson,carter for 29 yrs.to the police commissioner,who died 19 May 1900 aged 74 yrs,also Agnes Rogerson,his wife,who died 24 May 1900 aged 75 yrs,also James Johnson Beattie,grandson of the above and son of Ebenezer Beattie,who died 26 Sept.1903 aged 11 yrs "theres a happy land" also the above Ebenezer Beattie who died at 61 yrs Glasgow Street Maxwelltown,18 June 1907 aged 59 yrs. also Thomas Beattie son of above who died 24 May 1928 aged 32 yrs. "asleep in Jesus" also Sarah C Beattie wife of above Ebenezer Beattie who died at 87 College Street 28 Ja 1941 aged 83 yrs "in death they were not divided".
This information came to me from Rootschats .com. after my request for information on Sarah Johnson.
I have based my research on the supplied information
Regards
Ted (aka baldy) (au)
I do not know how long it takes for the images to come online in the gallery for others to see.
Here is what I have just uploaded.
Sarah Crosbie Johnson B 31 October 1857,Locharbriggs,Dumfriss d.28 Jan 1941,87 College Street.Maxwelltown,Dumfries.
Marrie Ebenezer Beattie,31 December 1886 in Police Commissioners Stables,son of William Beattie & Janet Callendar.
notes:-
Ebenezer Beattie,38 Scavenger,batchelor
William Beattie,ploughman (deceased)
Sarah Johnston,Scavanger,spinster
James Johnston,carter
Agnes Johnston ms Rogerson
Witness Lizzie Johnston
Sarah buried at St Michaels Churchyard Dumfries.
Inscription Reads
In loving memeory of James Johnson,carter for 29 yrs.to the police commissioner,who died 19 May 1900 aged 74 yrs,also Agnes Rogerson,his wife,who died 24 May 1900 aged 75 yrs,also James Johnson Beattie,grandson of the above and son of Ebenezer Beattie,who died 26 Sept.1903 aged 11 yrs "theres a happy land" also the above Ebenezer Beattie who died at 61 yrs Glasgow Street Maxwelltown,18 June 1907 aged 59 yrs. also Thomas Beattie son of above who died 24 May 1928 aged 32 yrs. "asleep in Jesus" also Sarah C Beattie wife of above Ebenezer Beattie who died at 87 College Street 28 Ja 1941 aged 83 yrs "in death they were not divided".
This information came to me from Rootschats .com. after my request for information on Sarah Johnson.
I have based my research on the supplied information
Regards
Ted (aka baldy) (au)
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LesleyB
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Hi Ted
Any file uploaded to the gallery needs to be approved by one of the AG. There are no files waiting for approval and I've had a look for a file named Johnson just in case it had been approved already, but I'm not seeing anything there. Maybe I'm just missing it. Perhaps you could have another go at uploading it - I'll keep an eye open for it.
Best wishes
Lesley
Any file uploaded to the gallery needs to be approved by one of the AG. There are no files waiting for approval and I've had a look for a file named Johnson just in case it had been approved already, but I'm not seeing anything there. Maybe I'm just missing it. Perhaps you could have another go at uploading it - I'll keep an eye open for it.
Best wishes
Lesley
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Baldy
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JustJean
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Hi Ted
Ahhh.....you uploaded the file to your personal gallery space! No wonder we couldn't find it!! Usually items that need analysis are uploaded to the difficult handwriting section and that is one that requires Admin approval before adding the link. All registered members however are alloted a small amount of personal space that does not require approval and that is where I found your Johnson file tucked!
Ted I should apologize for my cheeky reply that you should stop using other peoples research! No insults intended.....but it is a very fine point that bears careful watching. When we all embark on family research there are certain methodologies that need to be followed. Trial and error is as much a part of it as any practiced theory.....but the critical piece is how do we substantiate and cite the various sources of information? When we view and gather data from original sources....ie seeing the actual census image or statutory record or MI and making our own individual conclusions then our body of work is at it's most reliable. There is nothing wrong with collaborating with others and finding long lost distant kin is one of the most rewarding bits I've ever felt.....but still you have to be able to weigh the value of truth in all that you gather and put down on paper. Just taking someone else's work and running with it without checking their sources or transcriptions can be extremely risky. In this particular case while I haven't access to all the sources this other forum board threw up for you and so haven't checked anything personally I will venture the comment that the work appears to be worthy. I think you understand your role as you've set about trying to verify the data and that is the point I'm trying to make. It is truly you who needs to perform this part of the job. We're here to assist you, give you pointers, give you great hints, and yes sometimes even produce sources for you.....but in the end it is your body of work and your decisions as to how to present the facts and the understanding of them.
I'm glad we were able to help you locate the birth of Janet...but from this exercise you can now see that it made a world of difference in finding the record because her birthplace was not really Dumfries but it was very nearby.
Best wishes.....and keep up the good work!
Jean
Ahhh.....you uploaded the file to your personal gallery space! No wonder we couldn't find it!! Usually items that need analysis are uploaded to the difficult handwriting section and that is one that requires Admin approval before adding the link. All registered members however are alloted a small amount of personal space that does not require approval and that is where I found your Johnson file tucked!
Ted I should apologize for my cheeky reply that you should stop using other peoples research! No insults intended.....but it is a very fine point that bears careful watching. When we all embark on family research there are certain methodologies that need to be followed. Trial and error is as much a part of it as any practiced theory.....but the critical piece is how do we substantiate and cite the various sources of information? When we view and gather data from original sources....ie seeing the actual census image or statutory record or MI and making our own individual conclusions then our body of work is at it's most reliable. There is nothing wrong with collaborating with others and finding long lost distant kin is one of the most rewarding bits I've ever felt.....but still you have to be able to weigh the value of truth in all that you gather and put down on paper. Just taking someone else's work and running with it without checking their sources or transcriptions can be extremely risky. In this particular case while I haven't access to all the sources this other forum board threw up for you and so haven't checked anything personally I will venture the comment that the work appears to be worthy. I think you understand your role as you've set about trying to verify the data and that is the point I'm trying to make. It is truly you who needs to perform this part of the job. We're here to assist you, give you pointers, give you great hints, and yes sometimes even produce sources for you.....but in the end it is your body of work and your decisions as to how to present the facts and the understanding of them.
I'm glad we were able to help you locate the birth of Janet...but from this exercise you can now see that it made a world of difference in finding the record because her birthplace was not really Dumfries but it was very nearby.
Best wishes.....and keep up the good work!
Jean-
Baldy
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Hi Jean.
Yes I do understand,I did not take any offence or think that it was cheeky in any way to your comment as you are quite correct.
I have found in the past with information that has been given to me ,all is not what it seems to be;in fact to be 100% honest with you I got caught a little while back,I employed a so called researcher from Scotland to do some verifying work for me,on equestion still sticks in my head that she asked and it was "can you supply to me where your are at & what you have sofar" this iIdid (I know what a stupid thing to do) I posted ALL the information that I had gathered so as to possible make it a little easier & not so costly,I got a reply about 3 months later;yes you guessed it ALL the information that came back was exactly what I had given her ($500-00au out of pocket) .
When I contacted her in relation to this,her comment was "what you gave me was not what I have sent to you".
This is perhaps the reason why I post only a little at a time,maybe this is wrong I do not know.
I am now a LOT wiser in what i post
Agian ;thank you very much for your help, guidance & assistance
Regards
Ted
Yes I do understand,I did not take any offence or think that it was cheeky in any way to your comment as you are quite correct.
I have found in the past with information that has been given to me ,all is not what it seems to be;in fact to be 100% honest with you I got caught a little while back,I employed a so called researcher from Scotland to do some verifying work for me,on equestion still sticks in my head that she asked and it was "can you supply to me where your are at & what you have sofar" this iIdid (I know what a stupid thing to do) I posted ALL the information that I had gathered so as to possible make it a little easier & not so costly,I got a reply about 3 months later;yes you guessed it ALL the information that came back was exactly what I had given her ($500-00au out of pocket) .
When I contacted her in relation to this,her comment was "what you gave me was not what I have sent to you".
This is perhaps the reason why I post only a little at a time,maybe this is wrong I do not know.
I am now a LOT wiser in what i post
Agian ;thank you very much for your help, guidance & assistance
Regards
Ted
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JustJean
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Hi Ted
Ouch......that was a hard learned lesson!
From what you say you did everything correctly. It is important when asking for help on a particular sticking point to share as much background info as you can. Unfortunately there do seem to exist unscrupulous individuals. If this person advertised themselves as certified or otherwise credentialed and you were dissatisfied with the level of service I wouldn't hesitate for a second to make some sort of formal complaint.
Best wishes
Jean
Ouch......that was a hard learned lesson!
From what you say you did everything correctly. It is important when asking for help on a particular sticking point to share as much background info as you can. Unfortunately there do seem to exist unscrupulous individuals. If this person advertised themselves as certified or otherwise credentialed and you were dissatisfied with the level of service I wouldn't hesitate for a second to make some sort of formal complaint. Best wishes
Jean
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DavidWW
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Hi Ted
Ouch indeed
if you haven't already done so, for that sum of money, then I would have no hesitation in replying to such a response along the lines of, - "I hear what you say, - please prove it."
And, as noted by Jean, if she has any credentials, then a referral to the authority concerned would not go amiss.
Another option is to make a formal complaint to the Trading Standards department of the (Scottish?) local authority where she is based. If you email me the relevant details, I'd be happy to look up the relevant address. While it might not result in redress for you, it could make life interesting for this researcher, especially if you make her aware of your reference to Trading Standards.
If you found her details in a UK genealogical magazine, then you are perfectly entitled to write to the magazine.
Depending on the hourly rate involved and whether or not this includes expenses AUD500 equates to somewhere between 6 and 12 hours work. It can occasionally happen, in a complicated scenario, that checking the information to date can take a couple of hours before a brickwall is encountered, but this doesn't appear to be the case here. In any case, if such was the situation that should have been made clear.
Sadly, as Jean commented, there there do seem to exist unscrupulous individuals out there, who, sadly, give the rest of the profession a bad name.
David
PS In such a situation always ask for an estimate up front, based on the information supplied by you, and don't even bother going further with that person unless they only ask for between one-third and one-half of the estimated cost up-front.
dww
Ouch indeed
if you haven't already done so, for that sum of money, then I would have no hesitation in replying to such a response along the lines of, - "I hear what you say, - please prove it."
And, as noted by Jean, if she has any credentials, then a referral to the authority concerned would not go amiss.
Another option is to make a formal complaint to the Trading Standards department of the (Scottish?) local authority where she is based. If you email me the relevant details, I'd be happy to look up the relevant address. While it might not result in redress for you, it could make life interesting for this researcher, especially if you make her aware of your reference to Trading Standards.
If you found her details in a UK genealogical magazine, then you are perfectly entitled to write to the magazine.
Depending on the hourly rate involved and whether or not this includes expenses AUD500 equates to somewhere between 6 and 12 hours work. It can occasionally happen, in a complicated scenario, that checking the information to date can take a couple of hours before a brickwall is encountered, but this doesn't appear to be the case here. In any case, if such was the situation that should have been made clear.
Sadly, as Jean commented, there there do seem to exist unscrupulous individuals out there, who, sadly, give the rest of the profession a bad name.
David
PS In such a situation always ask for an estimate up front, based on the information supplied by you, and don't even bother going further with that person unless they only ask for between one-third and one-half of the estimated cost up-front.
dww
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Nelda
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Hi,
Just a sugestion... We have a Beatty / Beattie (all spellings) group of researchers. You can see the website at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~bp2000/main.htm
We welcome all who are researching any spelling of the Beatty surname, anywhere in the world. Come visit the site take a look and then join us you never know we might have or might not have your infomation, but you would be part of a very large group of Beatty researchers.
We have quite a few members working on lineages in scotland... Me for one.. mine are in Ayshire.. somewhere?? Still looking..
Nelda
Lineage L-05 - John Beatty and Jane Ross
Just a sugestion... We have a Beatty / Beattie (all spellings) group of researchers. You can see the website at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~bp2000/main.htm
We welcome all who are researching any spelling of the Beatty surname, anywhere in the world. Come visit the site take a look and then join us you never know we might have or might not have your infomation, but you would be part of a very large group of Beatty researchers.
We have quite a few members working on lineages in scotland... Me for one.. mine are in Ayshire.. somewhere?? Still looking..
Nelda
Lineage L-05 - John Beatty and Jane Ross
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Nelda
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Beatty Project 2000
Oh, after reading more on your posts.. we are free!!! a part of rootsweb.com....
We are just a group of reasearcher who help each other...
Nelda
my Beatty History page:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... tyhist.htm
We are just a group of reasearcher who help each other...
Nelda
my Beatty History page:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... tyhist.htm