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Davie
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Post by Davie » Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:07 pm

Hi again
I have two Isabel Barlas records on file,
Isabella Barlass died in Perth 1902 aged 76.
Widow of John Whytlock
Father, James Barlas
Mother: Christian More?
The death cert was signed by William Barlas Garvie a nephew.

Isabella Whytlock Barlas died Glasgow 1841
Father John Barlas
Mother Elizabeth Valentine

Davie
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KBABAK
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Whytock/ Barlas

Post by KBABAK » Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:17 am

Hi Davie,

The Isabel BARLAS that died in PERTH in 1902 was the sister of John BARLAS b. 1828, that married Elizabeth VALENTINE. Isabel and John were the children of a James BARLAS and Christian More.

John and Eliizabeth moved from PERTH to HAMILTON, LANARK sometime between October 1868 and March of 1871. This family produced a lot of the modern day Barlas(s)' in the Glasgow area.

I had hoped at one time that the youngest child of John and Elizabeth- Kate McDougal Barlas was some wonderful clue to my Isabel McDougall but I can't seem to find the connection and as you must know, McDougals certainly are plentiful :roll:

One thing I have noticed... on almost everything I have, Whytock is spelled without the "L" where as you seem to include it ... is it one of those common spelling variations?

Take care,

Karen
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KBABAK
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One more Question

Post by KBABAK » Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:30 am

Would there be any value in hiring someone to search through Kirk sessions for the Perthshire area around 1811 to find something that doesn't appear in the OPR's or is this just wishful thinking?

:? :?

Karen
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LesleyB
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Post by LesleyB » Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:35 am

Hi Karen
Check this out first:
http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/famrec/h ... r-cov.html
then go to -
> Kirk session and other material found in the OPRs.

If any session material you would like to see is on these OPR films it might be worth your while ordering in the films from your local LDS family history centre. They change a small fee for this - last time I did it, the cost was around £3 I think.

Failing that, or following that, a wee holiday in Edinburgh with all your hours spent at NAS (!) would allow you to see any other Kirk Session minutes which exist for the areas you are interested in. Not sure where you are so it depends whether hiring a researcher or coming to Edinburgh yourself would be the better value option. Trawling through Kirk Session minutes is not a "speed read" (of those I've seen) so you'd need to allow a fair bit of time I think.

Best wishes
Lesley
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Davie
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Post by Davie » Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:15 pm

Hi Lesley,
Can you tell me if the Buchanan Kirk Session Records are in Edinburgh?

Davie
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Davie
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Post by Davie » Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:34 pm

Hi Karen,
The spelling on the records I have is Whitock, Whytock and Witlock.
The lad that I was in touch with re the names, spelled his Whitlock.
He is based in the States and has old immigration records andan old bible that has his family in Perth town and Corsiehill in the late 17th and early 18th centuries
I could not find much at the time.
I have a few McDougals on file and plenty on McFarlanes.
It was nice to see the connections you sent.
I have found the Historical Socities very helpful in doing look ups for Kirk records etc.
I have never been charged more than £5 and have been successful three times.
The Aberdeen chap did not take anything and he sent two pages.
So they might be worth a try
Here is one of them
http://www.tayvalleyfhs.org.uk/resource ... hp?term=SO
Davie
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LesleyB
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Post by LesleyB » Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:52 pm

Hi Davie
According to
http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/files/opr_app2.pdf
there is no kirk session info included in the OPRs for Buchanan Stirilingshire, so next stop would be to consult the online catalogue at NAS;
http://www.dswebhosting.info/NAS/
(is it just me, or is their web site painfully slow these days? Everytime I put in a search, or click on a result for details I could just about go off and make a cup of tea and a sandwich before the results are there.... :roll: actually, make that several rounds of sandwiches....it takes ages)
Putting in Buchanan and CH as the category returned nothing, so tried Buchanan (and) Stirling as the search criteria and seems to be some material at NAS: (my, you are in luck!!)
  • CH2/606 Buchanan Kirk Session
    RefNo Title Date AccessStatus
    Details CH2/606 Buchanan Kirk Session 1654-1926 Not held
    Details CH2/606/1 Accounts 1760-1807
    Accounts 1742-59 1742-1807 Not held
    Details CH2/606/2 Accounts 1808-1856 Not held
    Details CH2/606/3 Minutes 1710-1711 Not held
    Details CH2/606/4 Minutes 1714-1718 Not held
    Details CH2/606/5 Minutes 1718-1731 Not held
    Details CH2/606/6 Minutes 1739-44
    Minutes 1746-61 Not held
    Details CH2/606/7 Minutes 1764-84
    Minutes 1804
    Minutes 1806 Not held
    Details CH2/606/8 Poors' fund accounts 1654-1688 Not held
    Details CH2/606/9 Poors' fund accounts 1688
    Collections 1710-1802 1688-1802 Not held
    Details CH2/606/10 Examination roll (parish of Inchcailloch) 1714-1721 Not held
    Details CH2/606/11 Examination roll (parish of Buchanan) 1722-1728 Not held
    Details CH2/606/12 Examination roll (parish of Buchanan) 1733-1746 Not held
    Details CH2/606/13 Examination roll (Inchcailloch and Buchanan) 1759 Not held
    Details CH2/606/14 Minutes 1806-12
    Minutes 1816-17
    Minutes 1836
    Minutes 1848
    Minutes 1856
    Minutes 1860
    Minutes 1869
    Collections 1848-93 (with minutes from 1863) 1806-1893 Not held
    Details CH2/606/15 Minutes 1893-1926 Not held
Not held at NAS, as you can see, but at (crikes, the supense is killing me....10 minutes later....you think I'm kidding?.... :roll: )
This record is not in the NAS. It is held in Stirling Archives. This record has been digitally imaged, however, and the digital images may be seen in the NAS Search Rooms on the 'Virtual Volumes' system.
Copies: A microfilm copy of this item is available for public consultation in the National Archives of Scotland in General Register House on reel references MFilP/CH2/510/6.


And now you know how to find all this stuff, you can do it next time!
Best wishes
Lesley
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Davie
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Post by Davie » Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:02 pm

That is great Lesley, yer a wee stoater'
Mind you, lay aff aff awe the sannies, or ye kid become a big stoater.
Will have to make a trip to the wild north of Stirling soon.
Awrabest
Davie
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Davie
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Post by Davie » Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:23 pm

Again Lesley,
While you're on a roll (pun intended)
Looking for a bit of help on Kilimonvaig parish.
I can find plenty of Family on the OPR, but none on the Statutory lists.
This is for McNaughtons, but the Campbells and McGregors also appear to have up sticks.
Are the ones from the Stats just the towns,
Kilmonivag was a large parish.
Hoping you can help on this too.
Davie
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LesleyB
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Post by LesleyB » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:56 am

Hi Davie
Was just getting around to this one but I see that Jean has answered it for you on another post! :D

Best wishes
Lesley
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