Chancelot or Chance Lot, Edinburgh?.....

[vickory]

Hello AndrewP,

Thank you for all that information, very interesting.

Unfortunately I know very little of Maria FINLEY as yet.
The various family BDM Certificates that I have so far give her place of birth as Queensferry,Scotland; Queensferry, Perthshire,Scotland; Perthshire; & just Scotland.
None give her parents names or occupations, her year of birth from ages given could be from 1839 to 1841.

I have found no record of her mariage in Deniliquin NSW 29/3/1864, though many other documents state that information.
She & William CARTER had 3 sons who married & had children & 1 daughter, who died as a toddler.
Maria drowned at Hay NSW 1/1/1887.

So I have much work yet to trace her origins but more tidbits now which may help me progress.

Regards, Vicki.

[Thrall]

Hi Vicki,
The IGI gives Maria Finley born 1839 at Queensferry, West Lothian, which is where the "Ferry Road" with Chancelot ends, about ten miles west of Edinburgh on the south side of the Forth estuary.

This is a submission, so not to be taken too literally. SP does not seem to help, but contact with the submitter, if possible, may give a clue.

Good hunting,

Thrall

[vickory]

The IGI gives Maria Finley born 1839 at Queensferry, West Lothian, which is where the "Ferry Road" with Chancelot ends, about ten miles west of Edinburgh on the south side of the Forth estuary.
Thrall

Thanks Thrall,
Isn't that amazing, the grandparents, of my great grandparents, may have lived in close proximity to one another.

I have been in contact with quite a few people who have submitted information re Maria CARTER/FINLEY to IGI but none seem to know any more about her than I.

There must be a document of fact somewhere, I just have to find it but so far it is one of my
Regards, Vicki.

[Jack]

Hi Vicki,
It might be worth trying to find Maria FINLEY in the 1841 or later censuses if she was still in Scotland.
Do you know of any siblings?
What were the names of Maria's own children and gr-children?
Jack

[vickory]

Hello Jack,
I don't know if Maria had any siblings or not.
Her own children were William, Henry Stewart, Florence & Hector.
William's son was Harold.
Henry Stewart's children were Ruby Violet Patina, William Stewart, Henry John, Albert Hector, Florence Muriel, Ethel May, Frederick Vivian, Ernest Cyril, Miriam, Leslie Stewart & Lorna.
Florence died as a toddler & I haven't traced Hector yet though I know he moved to Perth as a young man. There is a marriage for him on IGI in 1902 but this is incorrect it is in fact the 2nd marriage of Henry Stewart.

Regards, Vicki.

[Jack]

Hi Vicki,
Clutching at straws...i was dearly hoping there might've been an Isabella in Maria's family....
Some of the names you mention, esp gr-children, seem a tad more exotic than those of this FINDLAY family.
There is this 2yr old MARY in 1841 - about the same age as your MARIA.
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1841 / 665 Place: Dalmeny-West Lothian Enumeration District: 3 Pages: 10 - 11.
Address: Dalmeny Village
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born
FINDLAY James M 35 Agricultural Labourer Outside Census County
FINDLAY Isabella F 30 Outside Census County
FINDLAY Ann F 15 Outside Census County
FINDLAY Janet F 12 Outside Census County
FINDLAY William M 6 Outside Census County
FINDLAY Mary F 2 West Lothian
FINDLAY James M 2m West Lothian
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This wee Mary is at Queensferry in 1851, though is as born Cramond, MLN (but as WLN 1841).
Cramond in MLN is only about 3 or so miles east of Queensferry in WLN.
The 3 younger children in 1851 were as born Dalmeny, WLN which is less than a mile east of Queensferry.
The family certainly seem to have been in this area for at least 10yrs,
and IF this Mary was Maria, then she might've thought that Queensferry was her birthplace.
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1851 census 670 (683-1) Ed 3 p 5 (Queensferry)
Isabella FINDLAY, head, widow, 44, ag. lab, pauper, b West Calder, MLN
William FINDLAY, son, 16, stable boy, b West Calder, MLN
Mary FINDLAY, daur, 12, scholar, b Cramond, MLN
James FINDLAY, son, 10, scholar, b Dalmeny, WLN
Marion FINDLAY, daur, 8, scholar, b Dalmeny, WLN
Hugh FINDLAY, son, 5, scholar, b Dalmeny, WLN
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It was just wishful thinking on my part...so please don't read too much into it.
I'm sure you won't, but no harm in knowing of this family.
When did your Maria leave Scotland?
Jack

[vickory]

Hi Jack,
I just composed a long post & my machine crashed so I'll try again

Thanks for the family detail, I will keep it just in case.

I don't know when Maria left Scotland or entered Australia.

I have found 2 VERY LONGSHOT possibilities from 1841 census whilst searching for Maria age 2.

The first was a Maria SCOTT age 2 at Edinburgh Police Prison, what would a 2 year old be doing in a prison... there was no other female Scott but there was a William Scott so perhaps he was the father. Just made me wonder if the child had been placed with a family named FINLEY.

The other was a Charles FINLAY, tailor, age 50, wife Ann S.T., age 43, with an unnamed daughter age 3 weeks. Didn't find them again in 1851 but I am only using freecen.
This was of interest as I found in the NSW Deceased Estates an entry for FINLAY C C, locality Scotland, date of death 15/2/1899, date duty paid 25/11/1899.

But as I said... Longshots.

Thanks very much for your help.
Regards, Vicki.

[Muriel]

The name Chancelot still exists in the form of Chancelot Terrace, which is a row of tenements, proabably built 1900 + or -, on Ferry Road opposite Holy Cross Primary School & Craighall Avenue, if you've got an up-to-date map of Edinburgh. Chancelot Grove, which runs off at right-angles, is a small cul-de-sac of 1930s "4 in a block" housing. The Co-operative Flour Mill at Western Docks, Leith was known as Chancelot Mill and until quite recently their lorries came back & forth along Ferry Road. The Mill building is still there but closed a few years ago.

Muriel

[vickory]

Hello Muriel,

Thanks for the additional information.
I found some photos & stories on the internet of Chancelot Mill, all very interesting.
Alas no further progress as yet in determining ancestors for James FERN/FERANCE, Elizabeth McIVOR or Maria FINLEY, but I keep looking & one day I'll fall over some tidbit, or maybe even a distant relation, that opens more doors.

Regards, Vicki.