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Russell
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Post by Russell » Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:47 am

Brilliant Pinkshoes

:idea: And here was me thinking that lateral thinking was lying back and giving it consideration. My wife tells me that's horizontal thinking but when I try it I fall asleep :D

Would you bring your hip flask and I'll fill it from the Stewart Decanter I've just posted about ?

Ain't TS amazing :) :) :D :D :lol: :lol:

Russell
Working on: Oman, Brock, Miller/Millar, in Caithness.
Roan/Rowan, Hastings, Sharp, Lapraik in Ayr & Kirkcudbrightshire.
Johnston, Reside, Lyle all over the place !
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Watson, Morton, Anderson, Tawse, in Kilrenny

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Post by pinkshoes » Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:50 am

Ah but wait - there's more! I'm pretty sure John Murrie died in 1881 (before census) though I've not looked at the cert. 1881 has widow and weans (and servants) in Stirling. But even better - Stirling Golf Club was formed in 1869 at the Golden Lion in Stirling, and Ex-Provost John Murrie was captain and chairman. He was also a big shot :lol: in the cricket club and his name is engraved on a bell at the Broad Street Steeple in Stirling. Also, he was a Fellow of the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland. Isn't Google Fab.

Maybe tracing the owner (if there is one) of the flask will be less difficult than I thought at first :?:

I just love this sort of thing :lol:

Best wishes
Pinkshoes

Russell
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Post by Russell » Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:57 am

Ooooh!
It does get better, doesn't it?

When are you going to write the definitive book about the club and all the worthies associated with it.?

Keep this going please. It really shows how thinking outside the box can lead to fascinating discoveries. They may not be your family but it sets an historical scene for your ancestors (and ours!)

Russell
Working on: Oman, Brock, Miller/Millar, in Caithness.
Roan/Rowan, Hastings, Sharp, Lapraik in Ayr & Kirkcudbrightshire.
Johnston, Reside, Lyle all over the place !
McGilvray(spelt 26 different ways)
Watson, Morton, Anderson, Tawse, in Kilrenny

pinkshoes
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Post by pinkshoes » Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:11 am

You're right Russell - doesn't matter that John Murrie isn't "my ain" - already this brief search has painted a wee picture of his life in Stirling at that time - not very much like the picture I have of my miners and ag labs, but part of the rich tapestry all the same.

Hope you get somewhere with your decanter - if not, you can fill the flask from it and we'll pass it round - I'm not a big fan of the fallin doon water myself :lol:

Keep you posted.

Best wishes
Pinkshoes

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Post by pinkshoes » Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:33 pm

Sadly John Murrie’s descendents have not yet made it into Stirling Archives, but I’ve found some more bits and pieces which might broaden the search. Or maybe just provide some interest for Russell :lol:

John and his wife Margaret had lots of children – 10 of them in fact (hooray). 4 girls and 6 boys (hooray). It looks like they weren’t the marrying kind though (boo hoo). SP is yielding no male marriages so far, and up to 1891 census (they’re into their 30’s by now) they are indeed still single. As are the girls. Except …

Elizabeth the eldest married Roderick Hamilton dhu Burgoyne in 1873. Roderick seems an interesting chap, born in Madeira, served in 93rd Regiment in India and in fact was this same person : "Historical Records of the 93rd Sutherland Highlanders", compiled and edited by Roderick Hamilton Burgoyne, late 93rd Highlanders. London, 1883. The marriage cert gives Roderick’s u/a as Dartmoor, Devonshire, England and his occupation is shown : Late Captain 93rd Regiment, Deputy Governor, Dartmoor, Devonshire. By 1881 census, they are in Gillingham, Kent and Roderick is Deputy Governor of Chatham Convict Prison and they are still there in 1891. In 1901 they have moved to Durham where Roderick is now the Governor of Durham Prison. He and Elizabeth have three children – Margaret Emelia Burgoyne born 1874 and twins (I think) Roderick Murrie Burgoyne and Evan John Murrie Burgoyne born 1875. Margaret Emelia stays with her parents to 1891, but the boys are boarders at Chatham. That’s the last I hear of the children (so far). No sign of them in 1901 – Margaret Emelia is likely married, and the boys might be in the army? Having said that, the Ancestry indexing gremlin has one of the twins Burgoyne and the other Buyoyne so maybe more extensive searching is needed. Anybody related to Roderick???

The other marriage I’ve found is John’s daughter Jessie Scobie Murrie who married William Wilson, a woollen manufacturer in 1871 in Stirling. Son John Herbert Murrie Wilson was born in 1872 in Dunblane. No other children found so far. Jessie died in Cathcart, Glasgow in 1922. In the 1881 census they are living in Edinburgh off the income from William’s Dividends. Familiar to anyone?

The other children of John (remember him?) and Margaret are :
George Murrie abt 1848 Burntisland, John Smith Murrie 1850 Stirling, Robert Bruce Murrie 1852 Stirling, Margaret Murrie 1853 Stirling, Stewart Drummond Murrie 1855 Stirling, Isabella 1857 Stirling, Frederick Murrie abt 1859 Stirling, Charles William Murrie 1861 Stirling. Frederick is a man of mystery, born 1859 Frederik Murray in Stirling (I’m assuming it’s him) – he turns up in the 1861 census as Frederick Murrie, 1871 as Madrich Murrie, 1881 as Fredrick Murrie then vanishes. No marriage or death to be found. Poor Stewart never married, died in 1910 of an illness that probably rendered him paralysed for a long time. Isabella and Margaret were single and living with Mum and Stewart in 1891. Isabella died 1951 (no looked at cert but probably single – no marriage found). Charles died single in Edinburgh in 1925.

So that leaves George, John, Robert and Margaret. Found nothing useful as yet on any of them.

Apologies for the length of this post, but I hope there might be something that rings a bell with someone, or that the usual expertise of the great folks on TS will come up with a wee leg up.

Best wishes
Pinkshoes

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Post by trotterbeck » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:19 pm

Hi

On GenesReUnited

There are 3 people listing a John Murrie born 1818 in Methven, Perth, Scotland, UK.
I'm a Cousin - are you? http://www/LostCousins.com

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pinkshoes
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Post by pinkshoes » Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:03 pm

Thanks for that Trotterbeck.

I noticed them last week and contacted all of them. Heard back from one, but although we're on about the same John Murrie he's a very distant connection and no more info available on him :cry:

Still, its early days yet, and I must admit I'm really enjoying the process of finding out as much as I can about a random person. Don't know what that says about me :lol:

Thanks again for replying.

Best wishes
Pinkshoes

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Post by JustJean » Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:50 pm

Oh dear....I've done an awful thing!!! Was trying to quote and hit the edit and then wasn't happy with the way it came out so deleted it and lost Pinkshoes original message.......but here it is......saved I think but not being posted by pinkshoes. Just take me out and shoot me!!!

JustJean



I’ve made a fair bit of progress, so for anyone who’s interested, here’s a quick update.

I’ve tracked down three of John Murrie’s six sons, and sadly they all died single, as did two of the four daughters. So no wee Murrie weans so far. I’m still looking for what became of Robert Bruce Murrie, George Murrie and Frederick Murrie, so there’s still hope I guess.

Better news with the daughters though. Jessie Scobie Murrie married William Wilson and they had a son, John Herbert Murrie Wilson born in Dunblane in 1872. Don’t know what became of him. However, eldest Elizabeth who married Roderick Burgoyne had a daughter called Margaret Emelia Burgoyne. Thanks to Sporran, I know she married Francis Wilfred Brunner in 1899 in Durham. That’s when it gets interesting. I’ve been in touch with a relative of Francis Wilbert Brunner and we’ve had some great emails back and forward in the last couple of days. So I now know that there are ggg-grandchildren of John Murrie. Hooray!

However, I am continuing the search for a wee Murrie.

So the story is far from over, but a great deal of progress has been made. I’m quite chuffed really, though knowing so much about people totally unrelated to me is a bit spooky.

If the hipflask ever gets handed over, it will be accompanied by a fairly substantial dose of family history, complete with photos and articles from books relating to some of the individuals – the story of Major (Francis) Wilbert Brunner for example who died in Gallipoli would truly make you weep. I won’t take up airspace with the story here, but it brings the horrors of Gallipoli to life and I will share it with anyone particularly interested in that part of WWI.

On a lighter note – Mr Pinkshoes quipped that if I ever find the “right” person to receive the hipflask, they might turn out to be the very person who threw the blooming thing out in the first place.

Now that would be something!

Best wishes
Pinkshoes

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Post by pinkshoes » Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:52 pm

Ha ha Jean - I went back to look at it and found it gone. Re-posted, checked and found it was on twice, so I deleted the second one. Was beginning to think I'd lost the plot completely!!! :lol:

Pinkshoes

JustJean
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Post by JustJean » Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:56 pm

:lol: Thank goodness I had about 10 windows open at the time and one of them still had the original message showing so I could copy and paste :shock: You should have left it in your name if you had it!!!!! I was afraid it was lost for all time :roll:

Alls well in the end.... :lol:

Best wishes
Jean