Linlithgow

Post by **Anne H** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:26 pm

Hi Karen,

I just got excited there to maybe it really is my relative for sure!!!

I know the feeling

I had a look on SP's free search for Elizabeth's BC in Uphall and also all parishes in Linlithgow but didn't come up with anything...but I probably didn't try the right combinations.

Here's hoping someone else will be more fruitful! Good luck!

Regards,
Anne H

Post by **Jean Jeanie** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:27 pm

Hi Karen

The county of West Lothian used to be known as Linlithgowshire. Uphall is a little village about 8 miles from the town of Linlithgow. I used to live in the village "next door" to Uphall!!

Jean

Post by **Jean Jeanie** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:33 pm

Hi Karen

Uphall has it's own website at http://www.uphall.org/

The 1841 and 1851 censuses are on there and there are some Campbells shown

Jean

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:50 pm

Hi Karen,
After your mention tonight of the Galloway name i remembered something.
It was in one of my draft folders because there was a fair bit of checking to do.
I hadn't as yet found the necessary time for an in-depth search.
Hope you don't mind, but i'll reply over on your other post - just to keep it all together!
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http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic. ... ght=#48351
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Jack

Clannessie · Post by **Clannessie** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:01 am

Thanks to you too Jean for /all your help!!

So...if my Elizabeth Campbell came from Uphall (and not Jura and the Chief's daughter - darn!) in 1791 and she was married in Stirling in 1807 and had her first daughter christened in Alloa in 1807 ....is that all do-able? It seems we have concluded Thomas Galloway, her hubby, was a Baker (seems the sons followed in that field). Makes me wonder where he was working when he met Elizabeth...why they married in Stirling....and can only guess that he was either working in Alloa or that is where his family was!

Grrrrrrrrr I wish I could get those answers

Thanks again
Karen

Post by **AndrewP** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:58 am

Hi Karen,

I've uploaded the image to the TalkingScot Gallery. I would agree that the birthplace is Uphall, Linlithgow(shire).

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1172

I noticed that there was a significant number of tick maks in the "Blind, Deaf or Dumb" column". Were that amont of people afflicted in such a small locality?

Then I realised, this was the enumerator's mark when making his summary - these ticks are against each one where the birthplace is outside that county (Lanarkshire in this case).

All the best,

AndrewP

Rockford · Post by **Rockford** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:17 pm

Hi Karen,

Stirling is about 25 miles NW of Uphall & Alloa is about 8 miles East of Stirling, so it's probably doable!

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If they got married and had the first child in Alloa it could be that Elizabeth's family lived in Stirling (if they traditionally went to the bride's 'home town' to get married) and her new husband was working in Alloa, where they could have gone to live after the marriage.

Or, her family could have lived in Alloa and she went home to her mammy to have her first child. She and Thomas could have both been working in Stirling, where they got married.

Where were there sons born?

I realise that this might not help you find the answers!!

Best wishes

Brian

Clannessie · Post by **Clannessie** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:22 pm

Thanks Andrew for confirming that it is indeed Uphall. When Anne had written it was Uphall and I went back and looked at it...it then made more sense to what it was! I figured someone would know with actually living in Scotland then I would by just looking at a map. Funny thing is, in 2002 we drove from Edinburgh to Falkirk, staying overnight at a great B&B in Denny before seeing The Wheel, Bannockburn and then up to Stirling to the castle and Wallace monument and I now realize from the map we went by Linlithgow! (My Mom was from Clydebank...so cousins are in Glagow Kilbride and Troon and we were on our way up to Lossie to visit friends).
Anyway, I too wondered abut all those marks in that last column...and glad you figured that out also!!!

Thanks for your help on this matter,
Karen
So California

Clannessie · Post by **Clannessie** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:47 pm

Brian...

Thanks for your input also on all this. Guess I am just frustrated at not finding out the correct answers about all this. I have been trying to break past to just where Elizabeth Campbell and Thomas Galloway came from and where they were born. See, the family story says a Campbell lass ran off with the gardener or his son, supposedly she was from the "big" house on Jura. So I have been trying to go that route but with no luck at all. Only start I had was the wedding record in Stirling on Jan 25, 1807. All along I figured she was young when she married, and if this Elizabeth from Uphall is really my rellie, she was at 16. But...now finding out Thomas Galloway was a Baker changes all that for sure unless he did change jobs. Before I figured if Elizabeth was ousted from the family, I could see her having her first child with "his" family in Alloa but now, who knows

There's a couple of Galloway posts I have going in the Scottish people forum here...but here are the children births:

Elizabeth christened 1807 Alloa

Mary born 1809 Edinburgh Parish

Jean (we have figured this was my GGGGrandmother and not her sister Janet - seems Jean, Jane, Janet was inter-used a lot)) born 1811 Mid Calder

Thomas born 1813 Mid Calder

James born 1814 Mid Calder

Janet born 1819 Glasgow

Margaret born 1822 Glasgow

Robert born 1824

Helen christened 1829 in Hamilton

In the 1841 census, Elizabeth (50 - widow and pauper) and Helen (11) are living in Hamilton with James and his family, and of course just says born in Scotland not where, otherwise this mystery would have been cleared up by now.

The 1851 census in Hamilton just has Elizabeth (60), Helen (21) and her son Thomas "Galloway" at 2 years. This is where the Linlithgow Uphall came in, where as Helen and Thomas were born in Hamilton.

I am having trouble finding death records...especailly for Elizabeth and her husband Thomas who died pre 1855.

I'm sure at this point the forum is probably tired of seeing the name of Galloway!

I see you have Young and Thomson in your names. My above Jean married an Andrew Young. He was a "character" He was born in Lesmagagow.
My Thomsom came from Ireland, she married a Cooper there and then the family moved to Glasgow. One son, John Cooper, then married oldest daughter of Jean and Andrew Young, Elizabeth.

Again thanks for your input,
Karen
So California