Robert Wilson, cant find the right one.....

anner · Post by **anner** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:30 pm

Hi Ian,
I still havent found him. He is so elusive. I have opened every Robert Wilson that died between 1890 and 1917 in Scotland and so far havent found the right one. It has cost an absolute fortune for no information as yet, but as he was a deserter from the army he may have died in England.
I went to Scotland earlier this year and found his wife in the electoral registers in 1912, and he wasnt with her, so I think he died in England. There are so many Roberts in England that it would cost an even bigger fortune than SP and as you cant download and check the person I cannot warrant even beginning to search. I think he is going to one of those never seen again jobs.
On the positive side I know his birthdate and where he was born, also his parents marraige date and as they came from Ireland, again nearly impossible to look up.
So glad you found yours even if under a wrong name. The funny thing is, on his wifes death cert, he is down as Robert Clark Wilson, so my Nan must have either known something or gave him another name. As she is dead I cant ask her and my cousins dont know what happened to all of the paper work and photos that she had. Really sad, but never mind.
Regards
Anne.

ian beaton jack · Post by **ian beaton jack** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:10 pm

anner wrote:Hi Ian,
I still havent found him. He is so elusive. I have opened every Robert Wilson that died between 1890 and 1917 in Scotland and so far havent found the right one. It has cost an absolute fortune for no information as yet, but as he was a deserter from the army he may have died in England.
I went to Scotland earlier this year and found his wife in the electoral registers in 1912, and he wasnt with her, so I think he died in England. There are so many Roberts in England that it would cost an even bigger fortune than SP and as you cant download and check the person I cannot warrant even beginning to search. I think he is going to one of those never seen again jobs.
On the positive side I know his birthdate and where he was born, also his parents marraige date and as they came from Ireland, again nearly impossible to look up.
So glad you found yours even if under a wrong name. The funny thing is, on his wifes death cert, he is down as Robert Clark Wilson, so my Nan must have either known something or gave him another name. As she is dead I cant ask her and my cousins dont know what happened to all of the paper work and photos that she had. Really sad, but never mind.
Regards
Anne.

ian beaton jack · Post by **ian beaton jack** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:22 pm

anner wrote:Hi Ian,
I still havent found him. He is so elusive. I have opened every Robert Wilson that died between 1890 and 1917 in Scotland and so far havent found the right one. It has cost an absolute fortune for no information as yet, but as he was a deserter from the army he may have died in England.
I went to Scotland earlier this year and found his wife in the electoral registers in 1912, and he wasnt with her, so I think he died in England. There are so many Roberts in England that it would cost an even bigger fortune than SP and as you cant download and check the person I cannot warrant even beginning to search. I think he is going to one of those never seen again jobs.
On the positive side I know his birthdate and where he was born, also his parents marraige date and as they came from Ireland, again nearly impossible to look up.
So glad you found yours even if under a wrong name. The funny thing is, on his wifes death cert, he is down as Robert Clark Wilson, so my Nan must have either known something or gave him another name. As she is dead I cant ask her and my cousins dont know what happened to all of the paper work and photos that she had. Really sad, but never mind.
Regards
Anne.

anne, robert was shown under his proper name on the certificate but as i said,register had him under richard, i'm like you i have traced every robert wilson i can lay hands on up to now in scotland,i might have some who are of use to you,let me know. there have been a few other relatives i have been trying to trace,knowing the dates etc. but there is no trace of them officially, i can find no trace of robert in the 1841 census, he was a stonemason so might have been out of the country on some job,i have looked in all scottish areas but nothing shows, of course he might have been in england,but i don't have any access so far to the census returns there
regards ian

anner · Post by **anner** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:31 am

Hi Ian,
The Robert I am looking for was born 1863, and he married 1885 to Janet Gardner Slater. Even though being a deserter I am sure he would have been buried under his real name. Still cannot work if the Clark was an alias. If he was with his wife she would have been on the death cert, so I am looking for one with her name on, but as I say no luck.
I have access to Ancestry, so post your names and dates and I will have a look for you.
Regards
Anne.

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:29 pm

Hi Ian

Buckie caught my eye as it's in Rathven parish and not a million miles from NW Aberdeenshire.

Any links to JACKs in Monquhitter and surrounding parishes? Mine go back to the mid-1700s in that parish, - my 4g grandfather, Charles was born in Monquhitter in 1774, son of Charles JACK and Margaret BRODIE.

David

anner · Post by **anner** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:13 pm

Hi Ian,
I have loked at the 1851 english census and have found a Robert and Catharine in Lancashire. Born Scotland in 1815. With them are 5 children ranging from 11 yrs to 2 yrs. also a sister Elizabeth aged 39 is with them let me know if this is of interest and I will send page to you, in either pm or email.
Regards
Anne.

ian beaton jack · Post by **ian beaton jack** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:45 pm

anner wrote:Hi Ian,
I have loked at the 1851 english census and have found a Robert and Catharine in Lancashire. Born Scotland in 1815. With them are 5 children ranging from 11 yrs to 2 yrs. also a sister Elizabeth aged 39 is with them let me know if this is of interest and I will send page to you, in either pm or email.
Regards
Anne.

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anne,my hopes rose there,but then i remembered that robert and catherine are in the 1851 census in avoch on the black isle,his birth place. but what a coincidence, does it give his birth place? my two were married in 1845 so 1st. child would only be 6 years old at best in 1851.
i will have a look at the wilsons i have and let you know soon to see if they are of any help to you
regards ian

ian beaton jack · Post by **ian beaton jack** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:56 pm

DavidWW wrote:Hi Ian

Buckie caught my eye as it's in Rathven parish and not a million miles from NW Aberdeenshire.

Any links to JACKs in Monquhitter and surrounding parishes? Mine go back to the mid-1700s in that parish, - my 4g grandfather, Charles was born in Monquhitter in 1774, son of Charles JACK and Margaret BRODIE.

David

hi david,sorry, but i have never found any of my people outside the black-isle so far. they were mostly farmers and tended not to stray far from home,but one never knows, any idea where your jacks originally came from,there is a whole nest of us in avoch,mostly fishing people,although as i say ours were farmers, (although i have been at the sea all my days) but related back to the fishing jacks.where they came from originally i have no idea,i remember my mother relating that her minister had said that the first jack(jacque) in avoch was a red headed frenchman who came ashore from a wreck and married a local girl. there was certainly a jacque with charlie at culloden,he was a beggar and ale seller,and i think there was another one, spelled jak,i think.
ian

anner · Post by **anner** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:26 pm

Hi Ian,
On the english census it only says Scotland. The eldest child being Mary Ann at 11 years, Agnes &, Elizabeth 6, Robert 4, John 2. It is a coincidence but obviously not yours. Blooming Wilsons.
Regards
Anne.

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:21 pm

ian beaton jack wrote:
DavidWW wrote:Hi Ian

Buckie caught my eye as it's in Rathven parish and not a million miles from NW Aberdeenshire.

Any links to JACKs in Monquhitter and surrounding parishes? Mine go back to the mid-1700s in that parish, - my 4g grandfather, Charles was born in Monquhitter in 1774, son of Charles JACK and Margaret BRODIE.

David
hi david,sorry, but i have never found any of my people outside the black-isle so far. they were mostly farmers and tended not to stray far from home,but one never knows, any idea where your jacks originally came from,there is a whole nest of us in avoch,mostly fishing people,although as i say ours were farmers, (although i have been at the sea all my days) but related back to the fishing jacks.where they came from originally i have no idea,i remember my mother relating that her minister had said that the first jack(jacque) in avoch was a red headed frenchman who came ashore from a wreck and married a local girl. there was certainly a jacque with charlie at culloden,he was a beggar and ale seller,and i think there was another one, spelled jak,i think.
ian

Hi Ian

Before Monquhitter, no idea, - they appear to have drifted SW from NW Aberdeenshire after my earliest links established so far, wha kens

, they could have had coastal connections several further generations back .......

Black's "The Surnames of Scotland"'s entry for JACK starts off "JACK. Now considered a variant of John, but more correctly of James, from French Jacques, pronounced "zhak". As a surname, JA[C]K, it appears to go back to at least the 16th C

But, the Black Isle

, any connections to Maclennans in Redcastle in Killearnan parish

Orraverybest

David, a Black Isle Maclennan