Andrew C. has made some really valid comments.
I live on the Sou'side and occasionaly frequent Sharkey's bar behind the Citz, when attending any shows.
This is a time to plug "No Mean City", which I will be attending on Tuesday the 30th of this month.
However, The Gorbals has changed radically over the last few years, incorporating local residents with incomers.
I am not to sure how up to date any of you guys are on the policy of our parliament in Holyrood.
The gist of the law is, that if you declare yourself homeless, you are entitled to a house.
In the so called "New Gorbals" you have a mixture of rented homes (usually paid for by taxpayers, as the occupants are claiming housing benifit etc) and the home owners that have paid up to £150.000 for a flat.
It is an interesting sight, to see some of the locals outside Sommerfields food store any afternoon.
I am only stating a fact here, not a political comment.
And as for living in a tenement, I still do, and in Mount Florida, not in the best of the Glasgow suburbs, but it will still cost you in excess of £120,000 to purchase my flat.
Housing in Glasgow isnae cheap
Glaswegians.....
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mallog
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I want to reply to Andrew and say that I have no illusions about Glasgow. When I am in the city I try to minimise any risk as I would anywhere. I think Glasgow has a lot to offer and I would hate to think that the "heidbangers" would stop me coming to the city. I stay in commuter country but one of my sons lives in Glasgow and rents a beautiful flat in a tenement. It's maybe not ideal for a family but there are many who don't fall into that category. Edinburgh is a beautiful city and I loved living there but for me there is something about Glasgow that Edinburgh doesn't have and I mean in a good way!!
I would also add that I was really disappointed that they didn't retain something of the Garden Festival. It would have made a real difference in that area.
Mallog
I would also add that I was really disappointed that they didn't retain something of the Garden Festival. It would have made a real difference in that area.
Mallog
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Jamboesque
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This is an interesting topic, the question violence in the city that is.
One has to be very careful on using stastistics which seem to equate cities, like are the numbers relating to the general conurbation or the central metropolitan area and do the stats exclude some kinds of violence, eg the riots in Sao Paulo with attacks using machine guns & molotov cocktails or Cape Town with its Security Personnel rioting and the police using rubber bullets. Can't remember the last time the police had to call the riot squad out in the Dear Green Place.
In my personal opinion there are probably not many places that are no go areas, one just has to behave appropriately and not look/behave like tourist.
Davie, I was down your neck of the woods on Saturday along with 40,000 of my fellow Jambo's, thoroughly enjoyed the day
and not one spot of bother. I'm going back next Saturday too. Graduating from the Open University, hope the weather's nice...
One has to be very careful on using stastistics which seem to equate cities, like are the numbers relating to the general conurbation or the central metropolitan area and do the stats exclude some kinds of violence, eg the riots in Sao Paulo with attacks using machine guns & molotov cocktails or Cape Town with its Security Personnel rioting and the police using rubber bullets. Can't remember the last time the police had to call the riot squad out in the Dear Green Place.
In my personal opinion there are probably not many places that are no go areas, one just has to behave appropriately and not look/behave like tourist.
Davie, I was down your neck of the woods on Saturday along with 40,000 of my fellow Jambo's, thoroughly enjoyed the day
and not one spot of bother. I'm going back next Saturday too. Graduating from the Open University, hope the weather's nice...I'd like to be apathetic but I really can't be bothered.
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Davie
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Hi Jamboesque
Congrats on winning the cup
Was very impressed with the advert in the papers from Gretna FC, praising the Jambo supporters for the standing ovation given to the losers.
That is whit fitba' should be aw aboot.
Being a Bluenose season ticket holder, I am sure we would have done the same :D
Congrats on winning the cup
Was very impressed with the advert in the papers from Gretna FC, praising the Jambo supporters for the standing ovation given to the losers.
That is whit fitba' should be aw aboot.
Being a Bluenose season ticket holder, I am sure we would have done the same :D
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StewL
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Haw Davie
Was that occasionally frequent or frequently occasion Sharkeys
I havent been in Scotland for a good few years, but lets not just pick a city and say it is the worst for violence. Over here in Perth we have the odd trouble with "party gatecrashers" which results in the riot squad being deployed. As has been said earlier, each city in the world has its good and bad points, and if you have seen in the news over there about the troubles we have in our remote indigenous communities, you too would wonder if we actually lived in a very prosperous state/country and not some third world poverty stricken country. Again it is a case of the good, the bad and ugly in a lot of nations in the world, both rich and poor.
Was that occasionally frequent or frequently occasion Sharkeys
I havent been in Scotland for a good few years, but lets not just pick a city and say it is the worst for violence. Over here in Perth we have the odd trouble with "party gatecrashers" which results in the riot squad being deployed. As has been said earlier, each city in the world has its good and bad points, and if you have seen in the news over there about the troubles we have in our remote indigenous communities, you too would wonder if we actually lived in a very prosperous state/country and not some third world poverty stricken country. Again it is a case of the good, the bad and ugly in a lot of nations in the world, both rich and poor.
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I am a very proud Bankie & I or indeed my Parents would have been horified to be called Glaswegian(like calling a Canadian American!)
However I have "been about" many areas in Glasgow some so called "rough" & some so called posh.I have only been a victim of crime in a so called "posh" area.
Glasgow has the most horrendous poverty & I don't just mean of the monetary kind.I have been horrified at the attitude of some my fellow Bankies & Glaswegians.They are happy to sit back & let me & other taxpayers pay for their housing & their living.
"I'm noo working in MacDonalds for less than the dole"
Well when I was unemployed I would have worked anywhere.It was always a matter of pride in Scotland that you worked.Now there are generations of people who have never worked.
My Grandparents came through the depression & I myself started my working life during the seventies depression(funnily enough most English people don't seem to have any memories of it excepting those in the old traditional industrial areas.)
Also the rise of the single parent.Now my Mum was one she was left widowed with five children the youngest four.She went to work & when it became apparent that her children needed her she stayed at home before heading back to work.
It saddens me that so many young girls see becoming a Mother as an alternative to education & employment.Now I know all these youngsters will be wiping my butt when I am old & helpless.I would not like to return to the days when women had no altrenative than to give up their children but there must be middle ground.It should not be such an attractive position to be a single Mother & to cut the Father out of the financial/physical care & upbringing of the children.
Young men feel alienanted from their children because the benefit system makes it more financially attactive to be a single Mum than a two parent working but low-income family. We need to give them back some pride& educate & politicise them.Only when they have their own destinies in their own hands will we see a stop in these horrendous statistics.
I know there are multi-factors one of which is the poor nutrition in Glasgow.This leads to aggresion & violence&throw in drugs,resentment,religious/racial bigotry,poverty,poor education& unemployment & you have a tinder box.
I love Glasgow & it has the guts to get on with things but we have to raise the gate here & start at the bottom with the youngest children.
However I have "been about" many areas in Glasgow some so called "rough" & some so called posh.I have only been a victim of crime in a so called "posh" area.
Glasgow has the most horrendous poverty & I don't just mean of the monetary kind.I have been horrified at the attitude of some my fellow Bankies & Glaswegians.They are happy to sit back & let me & other taxpayers pay for their housing & their living.
"I'm noo working in MacDonalds for less than the dole"
Well when I was unemployed I would have worked anywhere.It was always a matter of pride in Scotland that you worked.Now there are generations of people who have never worked.
My Grandparents came through the depression & I myself started my working life during the seventies depression(funnily enough most English people don't seem to have any memories of it excepting those in the old traditional industrial areas.)
Also the rise of the single parent.Now my Mum was one she was left widowed with five children the youngest four.She went to work & when it became apparent that her children needed her she stayed at home before heading back to work.
It saddens me that so many young girls see becoming a Mother as an alternative to education & employment.Now I know all these youngsters will be wiping my butt when I am old & helpless.I would not like to return to the days when women had no altrenative than to give up their children but there must be middle ground.It should not be such an attractive position to be a single Mother & to cut the Father out of the financial/physical care & upbringing of the children.
Young men feel alienanted from their children because the benefit system makes it more financially attactive to be a single Mum than a two parent working but low-income family. We need to give them back some pride& educate & politicise them.Only when they have their own destinies in their own hands will we see a stop in these horrendous statistics.
I know there are multi-factors one of which is the poor nutrition in Glasgow.This leads to aggresion & violence&throw in drugs,resentment,religious/racial bigotry,poverty,poor education& unemployment & you have a tinder box.
I love Glasgow & it has the guts to get on with things but we have to raise the gate here & start at the bottom with the youngest children.
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DavidWW
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Although from Ayrshire, Glasgow's my home city in terms of university, - 7 years, - then, later, 10 years residence, so I'm prejudiced perhaps.
My favourite Glasgow story involves my previous wife, who's Finnish.
In 1985 we were in Scotland, only her second ever visit, and I had to leave her for a day while I went down to London for an interview, so she decided to "do" Glasgow.
Now, in Stockholm near which we lived, if you stand still on the pavement with a map open in your hands people walk through you, but she was much taken with the fact that every time she did this in Glasgow, within seconds someone had stopped and asked "Haw hen, kin Ah help?" ......
Then she decided that she wanted to visit Glasgow cathedral, so worked out the bus to get and caught it ...... and, as commented in another post above, someone started chatting to her, and soon it was discovered that this was indeed the correct bus number, but going in the opposite direction!
The person sitting next to her insisted on getting off the bus with her, - and not only putting her on the bus going in the correct direction, but getting on to that bus with her and ensuring that she got off at the correct stop for the cathedral.
I've travelled all over the world on business and have no hesitation in stating that, once you overcome a certain possible initial reserve, then you will not find a friendlier people than Glaswegians.
As to the level of violence Ah hae ma doots aboot the figures in terms of definitions of types of crime and definitions of areas. I'm not saying that there isn't a high or very high level of certain types of crime in Glasgow, or certain parts thereof, but the whole context needs to be fully understood, and easy, possibly misleading comparisons, avoided.
I believe that it's also a question of what you go looking for, in the sense that, in any city in the world, if you go looking for trouble, you'll find it.
One rather different, ideosyncratic way in which I've classified cities over the years is"drunks", - for example in Stockholm, drunks tend to be aggressive, but a few hundred kms down the road in Göteborg (Gothenburg) drunks tend to be happy, rather like Glasgow!
Experiences like this of cities and their people tend to be very personal and quite different among people even of the same culture and background. It's over 10 years now since I had to emigrate to the East of Scotland, so maybe my memories of Glasgow are out-of-date and coloured by earlier memories going back 3 decades or so.
Yes, there's areas in Glasgow where I wouldn't venture but there are also such areas in Stockholm, Oslo, Helsinki, Brussels, Paris, New York, Sydney, Tokyo, Taipei - need I go on?
Another tale that occurs ......... I used to be a (land) hockey umpire. Once upon a time, - 1990?, - I was umpiring a Scottish cup match with a colleague between a First Division team and a Fourth Division team, - an extremely difficult match to umpire due to the difference in skill levels. The location was a "red blaize" pitch on the border of one of the more notorious Glasgow overspill housing "schemes" - I'm not going to say which.
At one point in the match two youngsters, 13 or 14 years old, decided to walk very slowly across the middle of the pitch, and I and my fellow umpire temprarily suspended play, to the great annoyance of the members of the First Division team, who assailed us with .....
Players: "Hey ump, get them off the ******** pitch".
...... to which our response was.....
Us: "Did you notice what the two lads were carrying?"
Players: "No and what does that matter for ******* sake? - so what were they carrying then?"
Us: "Crossbows!!"
David
My favourite Glasgow story involves my previous wife, who's Finnish.
In 1985 we were in Scotland, only her second ever visit, and I had to leave her for a day while I went down to London for an interview, so she decided to "do" Glasgow.
Now, in Stockholm near which we lived, if you stand still on the pavement with a map open in your hands people walk through you, but she was much taken with the fact that every time she did this in Glasgow, within seconds someone had stopped and asked "Haw hen, kin Ah help?" ......
Then she decided that she wanted to visit Glasgow cathedral, so worked out the bus to get and caught it ...... and, as commented in another post above, someone started chatting to her, and soon it was discovered that this was indeed the correct bus number, but going in the opposite direction!
The person sitting next to her insisted on getting off the bus with her, - and not only putting her on the bus going in the correct direction, but getting on to that bus with her and ensuring that she got off at the correct stop for the cathedral.
I've travelled all over the world on business and have no hesitation in stating that, once you overcome a certain possible initial reserve, then you will not find a friendlier people than Glaswegians.
As to the level of violence Ah hae ma doots aboot the figures in terms of definitions of types of crime and definitions of areas. I'm not saying that there isn't a high or very high level of certain types of crime in Glasgow, or certain parts thereof, but the whole context needs to be fully understood, and easy, possibly misleading comparisons, avoided.
I believe that it's also a question of what you go looking for, in the sense that, in any city in the world, if you go looking for trouble, you'll find it.
One rather different, ideosyncratic way in which I've classified cities over the years is"drunks", - for example in Stockholm, drunks tend to be aggressive, but a few hundred kms down the road in Göteborg (Gothenburg) drunks tend to be happy, rather like Glasgow!
Experiences like this of cities and their people tend to be very personal and quite different among people even of the same culture and background. It's over 10 years now since I had to emigrate to the East of Scotland, so maybe my memories of Glasgow are out-of-date and coloured by earlier memories going back 3 decades or so.
Yes, there's areas in Glasgow where I wouldn't venture but there are also such areas in Stockholm, Oslo, Helsinki, Brussels, Paris, New York, Sydney, Tokyo, Taipei - need I go on?
Another tale that occurs ......... I used to be a (land) hockey umpire. Once upon a time, - 1990?, - I was umpiring a Scottish cup match with a colleague between a First Division team and a Fourth Division team, - an extremely difficult match to umpire due to the difference in skill levels. The location was a "red blaize" pitch on the border of one of the more notorious Glasgow overspill housing "schemes" - I'm not going to say which.
At one point in the match two youngsters, 13 or 14 years old, decided to walk very slowly across the middle of the pitch, and I and my fellow umpire temprarily suspended play, to the great annoyance of the members of the First Division team, who assailed us with .....
Players: "Hey ump, get them off the ******** pitch".
...... to which our response was.....
Us: "Did you notice what the two lads were carrying?"
Players: "No and what does that matter for ******* sake? - so what were they carrying then?"
Us: "Crossbows!!"
David
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wini
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Glaswegians
At the risk of being shot down AGAIN.
my b-i-l sent this to me today.
He is a Glaswegian..
UR A GLASWEGIAN IF
1 Ye can properly pronounce McConnochie, Eccelefechan, Milngavie, Sauchiehall Street, Auchtermuchty and Aufurfuksake (Subject to deletion by Moderator)
2 Ye actually like deep fried battered pizza from the chippie
3 Ye get four seasons in one day
4 Ye canny pass a chip/kebab shop withoot sleverin in your blootert
5 Ye can fall about pished withoot spillin yer drink
6 ye see people wear shell suits with Burberry accessories--pure class
7 Ye measure distance in minutes
8 Ye kin unnerstaun Rab C Nesbitt and know characters just like him in yer ain family
9 Ye go to Saltcoats cos ye think its like gaun tae the ocean
10 Ye kin make hael sentences jist wae sweer wurds
11 Ye know whit Haggis is and ye still eat it
12 Somedy ye know his used his fitba schedule tae plan thur wedding day
13 Youve been to a wedding and fitba scores are announced in the church/chapel
14 Ye urny surprised tae find curries, pizzas, kebabs fish n chips, irn bru,
fags and nappies all in one shop
15Yer holiday home at the seaside has calor gas under it
16 A big flash car has a ned at the wheel
17 Ye know irn bru is a hangover cure
18 Ye lernt to sweer afore ye lernt to do sums
19 Ye actually unnerstsaun this and yer gonnae send it tae yer pals
Finally ye are 100% Glaswegian if you have ever heard/said these words.
How's it hingin
clatty
boggin
cludgie
pished
get it up ye
wee beasties
amurny
away an bile yer heid
peely-wally
humphey backit
Ba' heid
baw bag
dubble nuggit
No offence
wini
my b-i-l sent this to me today.
He is a Glaswegian..
UR A GLASWEGIAN IF
1 Ye can properly pronounce McConnochie, Eccelefechan, Milngavie, Sauchiehall Street, Auchtermuchty and Aufurfuksake (Subject to deletion by Moderator)
2 Ye actually like deep fried battered pizza from the chippie
3 Ye get four seasons in one day
4 Ye canny pass a chip/kebab shop withoot sleverin in your blootert
5 Ye can fall about pished withoot spillin yer drink
6 ye see people wear shell suits with Burberry accessories--pure class
7 Ye measure distance in minutes
8 Ye kin unnerstaun Rab C Nesbitt and know characters just like him in yer ain family
9 Ye go to Saltcoats cos ye think its like gaun tae the ocean
10 Ye kin make hael sentences jist wae sweer wurds
11 Ye know whit Haggis is and ye still eat it
12 Somedy ye know his used his fitba schedule tae plan thur wedding day
13 Youve been to a wedding and fitba scores are announced in the church/chapel
14 Ye urny surprised tae find curries, pizzas, kebabs fish n chips, irn bru,
fags and nappies all in one shop
15Yer holiday home at the seaside has calor gas under it
16 A big flash car has a ned at the wheel
17 Ye know irn bru is a hangover cure
18 Ye lernt to sweer afore ye lernt to do sums
19 Ye actually unnerstsaun this and yer gonnae send it tae yer pals
Finally ye are 100% Glaswegian if you have ever heard/said these words.
How's it hingin
clatty
boggin
cludgie
pished
get it up ye
wee beasties
amurny
away an bile yer heid
peely-wally
humphey backit
Ba' heid
baw bag
dubble nuggit
No offence
wini
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bobbyinmelbourne
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Haw lissen, see it's jist the same here.........sorry got to speaka da inglish now, BUT
my town , in Oz is put down exactly the same as Glasgow is and I stick up for both, but the dregs who live everywhere bring us all down.
Anyway, to use one of my very favourite expressions,...away an bile yer heid,or for an Oz flavour........'go an' bite yer bum'....
neither anatomically possible
Bobby in Melbourne
my town , in Oz is put down exactly the same as Glasgow is and I stick up for both, but the dregs who live everywhere bring us all down.
Anyway, to use one of my very favourite expressions,...away an bile yer heid,or for an Oz flavour........'go an' bite yer bum'....
neither anatomically possible
Bobby in Melbourne
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nelmit
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Re: Glaswegians
I must be totally Glaswegian then!!!!wini wrote:At the risk of being shot down AGAIN.
my b-i-l sent this to me today.
He is a Glaswegian..
UR A GLASWEGIAN IF
..................................snipped..........................
No offence
wini
Regards,
Annette M