Mysteries.....

[JimM]

Hi Anne
I am completely confused with this lot now..

Have you seen the DC for Jemima Lonie?
She died in 1889 age 52 (widow of William Blackie).
15 Abbey Strand Edinburgh
Parents
George Lonie road contractor (deceased)
Marion Lonie m/s Bell (deceased)

The death was registered by her brother David Lonie
David's address was 15 Murdoch Terrace Edinburgh (worth checking the 1891 census?)

Jim

P.S. I did not know about Maria's illegitimate child.... I'm absolutely shocked at the behaviour of your ancestor
(do you have a copy of his BC you could send me?)

Oops... that David is is Margaret's brother (not her son as I was thinking)... I told you I was confused

carry on

[JimM]

Hi Anne
I was at the Mitchell and had another look for clues... Margaret is there again (name is Lonnie)
Some of the writing is hard to decipher.. I've put a question mark (?) at the bits I can't make out.

D-Hew 10/2/20 172
Margaret Lonnie
12.30 pm 7/sept/1859
184 Gallowgate four(?) back door Ms Stewart(?)
County of birth: Dalkeith Hillets(?) Mill
Single 27 Occupation: Servant
No earnings
Condition: Illegit child Michael 5/52 born in 184 Gallowgate

Her father George Lonie died 12 years ago
Mother Marion Bell a ------(?) in the Lunatic asylum West church St. Cuthbert's

Father of the child is Dr Livingston Stockwell St. who denies paternity
First Application
Settlement: Dalkeith or Lasswade

184 Gallowgate is Dr Haunchs(?) shop

Notice 2656 15/9/59 Dalkeith
Do 2657 Do Lasswade

1.5 pm 14/sept/ 1859 she applies again stating that her address is 184 Gallowgate, her residences as follows
In present house Glasgow 4 months
Prior with Dr Livingston sur(?) in London St. Glasgow 1year 9 months
Do Gorebridge Ms Croals(?) Cockpen 4 years 6 months
Do Newington Dr Cunninghams Lasswade 10 months 4 days
Do Loans head Lasswade 2 years

15 sept 1859 house, did not go in.


At least now we know who Michaels (aka David Lonie and George Campbell) father was

Jim

[JimM]

There was also one for Marion Bell..
It doesn't really say much but basically Marion was 65 years old ... widowed and a washer.
She had been at a night asylum in Glasgow for 5 days.... previously in an asylum in St. Cuthberts for 6 years.
Her Husband George Lonie a salesman died in 1847

She gives as details of her children
Margaret, 33 born in Liberton, married with 3 children to a riveter
Mary, 25 born in Dalry Mill St. Cuthberts married with 2 children to a sailor
Euphemia, 21 born in Dalry Mill St. Cuthberts to a soldier in GR(?) regt.

Marion Bell was "well known to Mr Craig inspector of St. Cuthberts" and was sent back there on 31 march 1865.

Jim

P.S There was also a record for Mary Lonie .... who by 1904 was calling her self "Jane Cassie"
....unless George and Marion had another daughter called Jane who was the same age as Mary and also married some-one called Cassie (nothing would surprise me any more with this lot)

[AnneM]

hi Jim

What can I say. This is the most amazing information. Why were not more of my own people born or living in Glasgow? I will mail the details from the poor law application to the unlucky owner of this family.

Now my next task will be to identify Dr Livingston I presume. Do you think he was a relative of Catriona L's. I'm sure she would deny having anything to do with him. Cue chorus of "She was poor but she was honest!"

As you say accuracy was not this lot's strong point. They did not seem to stick to one name for any length of time at all.

Given the number of names she gave that poor child I would have to get him put on supervision for being at risk of emotional abuse due to meddling with his identity.

All good clean fun.

Anne

[CatrionaL]

hi Jim

Now my next task will be to identify Dr Livingston I presume. Do you think he was a relative of Catriona L's. I'm sure she would deny having anything to do with him. Cue chorus of "She was poor but she was honest!"

Anne

Don't think so, Anne. Most of my Livingstons worked down mines and none rose to such guidy heights as to be able to put Dr before their name.

Catriona

[AnneM]

Hi Catriona

I would not want to own up to this one anyway as he seems to have been a naughty boy.

BTW I have been very remiss and forgotten to say thanks for the link to ma wee stories. They're looking good.

Anne

[AnneM]

Hi all

Jim I am very grateful for all your help on this one so far and also to everyone else for help and suggestions. As I see it what I need to do now is have a look for Dr Livingston. I had a dekko in the 1861 but there are too many Livingstons and no clue about his forename (except that it is not michael). I also had a look for a likely will but no luck. As it stands I think the best hope is to look at a trade directory for Glasgow for that period. I'm assuming there are some but don't think they are online.

The other possible line of enquiry is if Annie Campbell made a poor law application at some point following her 'marriage' to George and while she was having her children. Dear Jim or any other kind soul I don't know how easy it would be to check for an application for Annie Campbell ? wife of George Campbell. She and George were allegedly married in 1883. She had her first child in 1889, followed by 2 more in 1895 and 1899.

Thanks again everyone.

Anne

[CatrionaL]

Anne,
Just thought, I do have a Dr Livingston or two buried in my "These aren't relations, but I'll keep them just in case" File. Will look them out for you.

Catriona

[AnneM]

Remember George Campbell, man of mystery. Well the plot thickens!

You may/may not recall that in 1883 as a ship's steward he marries Ann Campbell who goes on to have 3 children who are registered as illegitimate.

Well today at NRH I found the following marriage:

1878; 30th April

46 Roslin Drive, Dennistoun

George Campbell, spirit dealer salesman, bachelor 19

Margaret Allan spinster 20

Both 30 Hartfield Street, Glasgow

His parents
George Campbell, Railway Plate Layer (deceased)

and Margaret Campbell ms [/b]Lonie

Her parents
John Allan, Handloom Weaver (deceased)
Catherine Allan m.s. Henderson

Margaret dies in 1927 when her usual residence is given as 55 Cornwall Street, Govan, Glasgow. She is stated to be married to George Scott Campbell, spirit salesman.

As always there is no sign of the death of George Campbell the spouse of either Margaret Allan or Annie Campbell!!!

In 1871 Margaret a fancy box maker aged 16 is stated to be born in Glasgow and lives with her mother and stepfather William Hart.

What dae yiz all think about that then??

Anne ][/b]

[newlabeluk]

I have nothing to add except....well done so far, or if you get fed up i've some English Welsh records you can play with,lol