Haliburton/Nicolson: anyone like a challenge?.....

Post by **Liz Turner** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:53 pm

Lesley

It's certainly very dry, but there are several names mentioned.

Elizabeth Halyburton - his daughter - is the Executrix Dative
Elizabeth Halyburton - named as his grand daughter - so he has a son

George Rutherford/Rutherfoord, of Harrington - wonder if this could be FIL or BIL - you'll have seen the potential here with a marriage of George Halyburton and Elizabeth Rutherfoord????

Robert Halyburton, merchant, Edinburgh
Gilbert Halyburton
Andrew Halyburton, Writer to the Signet, Edinburgh
John Lewis, of Merchiston
John Robertson
Robert Murray, Writer
John FFoullis, Depute Clerk to Session Officer
James Dewar of Vogrie
Andrew Plummer, Doctor of Medicine, Edinburgh
James Montgomery Brewerson Patterson
Robert Barclay, late Deacon of Taylors, Edinburgh

These people all either owed George Haliburton money or were owed money by him. I've listed them in case anyone else recognises any names.

Lots of info here, but I'm seriously leaning towards his wife being Elizabeth Rutherford - what do you think?

I'm going to play about on the LDS site and see what else I can find. There are several children on the list I posted who belong to that couple so I'll do some more searching. Thanks again for the moral support!

Liz

PS added at 23:20pm - Now suffering from information overload. Will have to spend tomorrow sorting out all this info!

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:51 am

Hi Liz
Great to hear that the will had some names in it. I'm a bit puzzled now though. If these are that George's kids, based on the list you posted earlier and the Rutherford connection:

09/01/1724 GEORGE GEORGE HALIBURTON/ELIZABETH RUTHERFOORD M EDINBURGH
14/01/1725 MARGARET GEORGE HALIBURTON/ELIZABETH RUTHERFURD F EDINBURGH
22/03/1726 ELIZABETH GEORGE HALIBURTON/ELIZABETH RUTHERFOORD F EDINBURGH
18/04/1727 ANN GEORGE HALIBURTON/ELIZABETH RUTHERFOORD F EDINBURGH
05/06/1728 DAVIDINA GEORGE HALIBURTON/ELIZABETH RUTHERFORD F EDINBURGH
10/09/1729 HELEN GEORGE HALIBURTON/ELIZABETH RUTHERFOORD U EDINBURGH
10/05/1731 THOMAS GEORGE HALIBURTON/ELIZABETH RUTHERFORD U EDINBURGH

.....Then where is Janet the 2nd daughter who was mentioned in the Edinburgh marriage? And where is that Jean who was mentioned in the book about the Burds? I still have a nagging doubt that George the merchant & George the provost may be different men. But maybe you have found out lots more since yesterday? Hope so!

Somewhere - NAS? Edinburgh Library? there must be few details about the provost George, surely which would help to pin him down?

Post by **Liz Turner** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:05 pm

Dear Leseley

Am still trying to sort through all the info - and had a chat to my sister about it this afternoon while we were at the local fete ...

You may be right about the two George's being different people - that's kind of the view we're coming to. But - and it's a big but - George who married Elizabeth Rutherford was 35 when he married. Now that's quite late for that era, and we're now speculating that she was his second wife???? That would leave me room to find an earlier marriage for George, and perhaps a daughter called Janet - desperate I know!!!

I downloaded a lot of stuff from SP and need to make sense of it. This is going to need some serious thought and copious reams of paper while I write it down and study it! Putting it on a PC doesn't seem to work for me, I need it in black and white so I can shift it about!

I will persevere ... off now for more vino!

Have a great weekend - Liz

Post by **Liz Turner** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:15 pm

Hi Lesley

I've gone back over the info I'd collected over the years and checked my sources, and then looked at all the info now from SP, taking your suggestions into account.

From the Fasti, I am certain that Janet Haliburton, daughter of George Haliburton, former Lord Provost of Edinburgh married James Nicolson on 12/11/1741. Janet died 22/3/1749. This presumes that the information in the Fasti is reliable

My new working hypothesis is:-
I believe Janet's father was George Haliburton, b 1685 Roxburgh, who married Elizabeth Rutherford in 1723. George would have been 38 so it could have been his second marriage (no info about that yet). From info in his will, I think it likely that he had at least one brother, called Andrew (a Writer to the Signet in Edinburgh) who died before 1738, and sisters Margaret, Mary, and Elizabeth. Janet may either have been a child from a first marriage.

I think George's (b1685) father was George Haliburton, b 24/4/1653 St Maddoes, Perth and that his mother was Mary Maitland born 1655. George (b1653) and Mary married 11/4/1678. I think George (b1653) had brothers James and Alexander and a sister Jean.

I think the parents of George (b1653) were yet another George Haliburton b1617 d1665, and that he was Bishop of Dunkeld. I believe his mother to have been Catherine Lindsay, b1627 d bef 1669 (Catherine's father was David Linsday, Bishop of Edinburgh).

I think George (b1617) had two brothers, another George (b14/5/1615) who must have died before 1617, and William (b15/2/1614). I believe George (b1617) was the son of Helen Rig and (surprise) yet another George Haliburton. Honestly you'd think they could show some originality and use a name other than George!! Georeg H and helen Rig married 30/7/1612. (That info came from a book about the Faculty of Advocates). There are also Haliburtons mentioned in the Edinburgh Apprentice Rolls 1701-1755.

I need to confirm some of the above from a second source, but in short:-

George Haliburton (b abt 1595) m Helen Rig
had son
George Haliburton (b1617) m Catherine Lindsay
had son
George Haliburton (b1653) m Mary Maitland
had son
George Haliburton (b1685) m Elizabeth Rutherford
had daughter
Janet Haliburton (b abt 1720) m James Nicolson

I'm pretty sure I can get back to Janet, daughter of George the LP without difficulty. The gap arises around Janet's mother - as it is unlikely to have been Elizabeth Rutherford who was her mother. I need to find a source with information about George the Lord Provost. I can go back quite easily from George the LP, so it's the wee bit round Janet's mother that's the grey area...

Hope you had a great weekend.

Liz

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:53 am

Hi liz
Gosh, you've been busy! Have you been outdoors in the sunshine at all?

I feel sure that somewhere in the OPRs or NAS, or a library in Edinburgh there MUST be something about GH the LP (he has been reduced to this!

)

A thought: Have you tried the Retours of Service of Heirs? (The retours of service of heirs is a history of the inheritance of the greater part of the landed property of Scotland - Names the legal heirs) Your GH sounds like he might just have his heirs mentioned as he seems to have a bit of property & land ...and along with that there just may be some other documentation lurking in NAS.

Best wishes
Lesley

Post by **Liz Turner** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:13 pm

Hi Lesley

Still sorting through all the data

Enough here to keep me busy for ages... am going to try and find time in the next week or so to transcribe the Will - glutton for punishment that I am!

I also did a quick search on NAS site today and found several references to various George Haliburtons. I may well be forced to pay them a visit. I wonder too about the Register of Sasines - if he owned Redford House then he'll be mentioned - problem is I'm sure there will be no index. How keen am I to plough through them on spec? Not that keen!

The info I had from the Fasti came from a copy in the Library at work, so I'll try and get in there sometime in the next week or so and check it - (whisper it) I've got a photocopy of the page (from 10 years ago) but I might find something else...

I'm printing out our conversations here to make sure I've not missed any gem of suggestion from yourself or Andrew (or anyone else who's been bored by this whole post!).

I did do some gardening on Sunday and had a BBQ at my sister's so wasn't tied to the PC quite all weekend. Weather's been great today too, hope it lasts for a few more days.

Liz

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:24 pm

Hi Liz
Well dinnae forget to check the Retours of Service of Heirs! I only mentioned them 'cos I had a excellent find by that method. It may not be typical, but mention of children as heirs of one of my lot in 1803 led to a document in Latin (held at NAS) which confirmed them as heirs, which was as expected....but what was not expected was that within this latin document was also reference to a will - a will which is NOT listed on SP! The will, which I had to order in to see on my next visit (the suspense was a killer!!) contained a reference to a person which tied up a family connection, taking me back a generation, which I'd had strong suspicions about but had been unable to prove ...until that point.

The only major disadvantage of discovering this at NAS was that my paper hankies were in my bag which was in the locker downstairs.....

Best of luck with it! And do get back to us - I'd really love to know if he is or isn't your Janet's father!!
Lesley