Cannot find Aberdeen birth record

[heymarky]

I have been trying to find a birth record for my gg-grandfather, Hugh Dyer, for years now.

His brother and four sisters all appear in the IGI (see below)

He and most of his family are in Glasgow in 1841. He and siblings James and Isabella are in Inverness in 1851.

The 1851 census gives his place of birth as Aberdeen. The birthplaces given for his two siblings match the IGI records, so I'm pretty sure Aberdeen is probably right. The sibling born after him was also born in Aberdeen, so the family was in Aberdeen near the time he was born.

His death certificate (Joplin, Jasper County, Missouri, USA 1914) gives his date of birth as January 17, 1834. This matches ages given in various census records and so I assume that it is his actual birthday.

Born 17 January 1834, Aberdeen. Even with an indexing boo-boo, it should be easy to find, right? I've tried mispellings and wildcardings on both FamilySearch and ScotlandsPeople but (so far!) no luck.

Is there anyone out there who can do better? Does anyone know of a big hole in OPR records in Aberdeen? Is there somewhere else I should be (could be) looking?

I keep trying to tell myself that I have sufficiently documented his birth, time to move on, but it really galls me that I cannot find that record!

As always thanks in advance for any help,

- Mark


SIBLINGS FROM IGI:

JAMES DYER - 09 FEB 1832 - Inverness, Inverness
**** Hugh should be here! ****
REBECKA DYER - 10 NOV 1835 - Old Machar, Aberdeen
REBECCA REID DYER - 09 AUG 1837 - Beith, Ayr
ISABELLA DYER - 16 Sep 1838 - Perth, Perth
MARION LOGAN GEORGINA DYER - 02 APR 1841 - Glasgow, Lanark
ELIZA SCOTT ROBINA DYER - 02 APR 1841 - Glasgow, Lanark

[JustJean]

Hi

Methinks you've placed your asterisks in the wrong slot From the date you've posted Hugh's DOB falls between James and Rebecca the first. That would make a birth anywhere from Inverness to Aberdeen...which is a mighty long road He might have been born literally on the road and they never stopped to have a christening.....or it may have been registered somewhere whose records don't exist today.

Sorry...no help I realize....

Best wishes
Jean

[heymarky]

Hi

Methinks you've placed your asterisks in the wrong slot

Ooops Thanks for the correction.

That would make a birth anywhere from Inverness to Aberdeen...which is a mighty long road

But in 1851 when he was living with his granny in Inverness he claimed (or more likely someone claimed in his behalf) that he was born in Aberdeen. His mother was from Inverness but had kin in Aberdeen. His father's family started out in Ayrshire, but ended up in Glasgow. I have no idea what they were doing in Perth, but I'm guessing that they were in the other places that they stopped long enough to have children because there was family there. And they managed to get them all written down in the books, except for the one that I am decended from

I have census records that show Hugh's uncles raising each other's children. And Hugh's first batch were raised by his brother, James. Sometimes I wonder if Robert and Isabella just collected Hugh somewhere along the way. But it still seems like there would be some record of his birth... Uh-oh, I think my head just exploded...

[paddyscar]

Hi Mark:

On ScotlandsPeople, using Soundex search for Hugh Dyer born Jan 1833 - Dec 1835 results in one hit, which when narrowed down, shows the record being in 1835. Adding the parents (Robert and Isabella) listed on Isabella's birth in IGI results in no hits.

Searching the IGI for Hugh Dyer (b. 1834 +/- 2 years, Scotland) finds 6 records. This is the same Hugh Dyer (d. Joplin, Jasper County, Missouri, USA 1914) and the entries are from a family pedigree entered by an LDS member and for my money, I'd be double checking those records.

Hugh Dyer Pedigree
Birth: 1834 , , Scotland
Death: 1914 , Jasper, Missouri
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Parents:
Father: John Dyer Family
Mother: Ann

Spouse: Elenor Family
Marriage: 1890 , Jasper, Missouri

Spouse: Julia Baldwin Family
Marriage: 1885 , Jasper, Missouri

Spouse: Margaret Wright Family
Marriage: 1872 Joplin, , , Missouri

Spouse: Rebecca Taggart Family
Marriage: 1855 , Scott, Iowa

Census Record
Birth Year <1835>
Birthplace SCOTLAND
Age 45
Occupation Machinist
Marital Status M <Married>
Race W <White>
Head of Household Hugh DYER
Relation Self
Father's Birthplace SCOT
Mother's Birthplace SCOT

The some of the other children's births/christenings give the parent's as:

Father: ROBERT DYER Family
Mother: ISABELLA MACBAYNE/McBaine/MacBain/Bain

ROBERT DYER Pedigree
Male Family
Marriages:
Spouse: ISABELLA MACBEAN Family
Marriage: 17 MAR 1831 Inverness, Inverness, Scotland

Frances

[heymarky]

Thanks Frances!

RE: the IGI

Sometime after I started doing genealogy I was very excited one day to get lots of new hits on FamilySearch.

The excitement was short lived as I quickly found that many of the dates were wrong. I also seem to recall recognizing some of the mistakes as being from my early research.

I'm very careful about "sharing" now.

RE: Mother's Name

I usually use 'Isabella McBean' but every record I have found for her has a different spelling for her last name right up to Hugh's Death certificate where his (final) wife reported it as Isa bell Bane.

I've found her parents and many siblings. Most are listed as McBean with some changing to McBain. I even found two first cousins, one a McBean and one a McBain ... marrying each other!

[paddyscar]

SIBLINGS FROM IGI:

JAMES DYER - 09 FEB 1832 - Inverness, Inverness
Birth: 01 FEB 1832
Christening: 09 FEB 1832 Inverness, Inverness, Scotland
Parents:
Father: ROBERT DYER Family
Mother: ISABELLA MCLEAN
C110986 1831 - 1855 0990980 Film 6900013

**** Hugh should be here! ****

REBECKA DYER - 10 NOV 1835 - Old Machar, Aberdeen
Rebecka BORN 10 NOV 1835 Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland (extract) C119067 1820 - 1836 0991248 Film 6901058
Father: ROBERT DYER Family
Mother: ISABELLA MCBAIN
REBECCA REID DYER - 09 AUG 1837 - Beith, Ayr
Rebecca Reid Dyer Christening: 09 AUG 1837 Beith, Ayr, Scotland
Parents:
Father: ROBERT DYER Family
Mother: ISABELLA MCBEAN
C115815 1820 - 1854 1041335 Film 6901122

ISABELLA DYER - 16 Sep 1838 - Perth, Perth
Birth: 02 AUG 1838
Christening: 16 SEP 1838 Perth, Perth, Scotland
Parents:
Father: ROBERT DYER Family
Mother: ISABELLA MACBAYNE

The youngest two were Christened on the same day, but neither birth date is given
MARION LOGAN GEORGINA DYER - 02 APR 1841 - Glasgow, Lanark
ELIZA SCOTT ROBINA DYER - 02 APR 1841 - Glasgow, Lanark
Christening: 02 APR 1841 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Parents:
Father: ROBERT DYER Family
Mother: ISABELLA BAIN
Source Information:
Batch Number: 7205310
Sheet: 64
Source Call No.: 0820211

Is it possible that Robert had brothers John, James and Joseph, because those men seem to be having children about the same time and the children's names seem to be repeated? It would lend some support to your idea that Hugh was actually a child of a brother. Have you looked at the ScotlandsPeople birth reg for Hugh in 1835?

Frances

[heymarky]

SIBLINGS FROM IGI:
The youngest two were Christened on the same day, but neither birth date is given
MARION LOGAN GEORGINA DYER - 02 APR 1841 - Glasgow, Lanark
ELIZA SCOTT ROBINA DYER - 02 APR 1841 - Glasgow, Lanark

They're twins... There is another Marion Dyer born about the same time who is the daughter of Robert's brother John.

Is it possible that Robert had brothers John, James and Joseph, because those men seem to be having children about the same time and the children's names seem to be repeated?

Robert's parents were James Dyet and Marrion Logan (that's right, Dyet, with a 'T')
They were married 5 Dec 1800.

I know of (and have found IGI records / gotten copies) for these children:

Henry Dyet - 07 Nov 1799, Kilwinning, Ayrshire
David Dyet - 26 Feb 1804, Kilwinning, Ayrshire
James Dyer - abt. 1805, Kilwinning, Ayrshire
(have death cert w/ parents name & census records, no birth)
Robert Dyer - 29 Jun 1806, Girvan, Ayrshire
George Dyer - 7 Aug 1808, Girvan, Ayrshire
William Dyer - 6 Jun 1811, Barony, Lanarkshire
Marrion Dyer - 24 Oct 1813, Barony, Lanarkshire
John Dyer - 9 Dec 1815, Barony, Lanarkshire
Andrew Dyer - 4 Nov 1818, Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Sarah Dyer - 5 Oct 1820, Glasgow, Lanarkshire

Records for some of the later children include the birth number of the child. William was Marion's 7th child, so I am still missing one. Could well be a Joseph.

Marion Logan's Parents were David Logan and Sarah Service. Early on I found a birth record for James Dyet in the right place and at about the right time with parents James Dyet and Marrion Marshall, but now that I have more children I suspect that James' father's name must've been Henry. Father's father: Henry, Mother's father: David, Father: James But I can't find that birth record either.

Have you looked at the ScotlandsPeople birth reg for Hugh in 1835?

Hadn't, so I did.

11/10/1835
TYRE HUGH
WILLIAM TYRE/ELISABETH LOCHHEAD FR595
M
Paisley High Church
/RENFREW
573/001 0030 0146

I suppose it is not impossible that this is Robert's brother William... If the day and month of birth were close to what I have for Hugh, I would probably be more excited...

Maybe I'm missing something:
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1348

[paddyscar]

Sorry the SP entry wasn't it - too many variations to make the connection. I had expected a closer match to the surname

Frances

[SarahND]

Hi Mark,
I'm sorry to have to tell you that I have a whole slew of relatives born in Aberdeen between at least 1800-1835 and NONE of them show up in the OPR records. So... even though these records are supposed to exist for that time and that place, I have my doubts that they are complete. Sorry
Sarah

[heymarky]

Actually one of the outcomes I was hoping for was that someone would tell me that there is a big hole right where I am looking.

Maybe now I can give up and move on to something more useful...