Jean Mcghie

LizzieS · Post by **LizzieS** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:26 pm

Hi,
I have a ggg Jane (sometimes) Jean Mcghie. I have a record of her marriage to Peter Cunningham Jan 16th 1848 at Calderbank Works, Old Monkland and can find her in all the census records up to her death in 1906. Her death registration shows her parents as Robert Mcghie, Farm Grieve and Catherine Gracie. She is Jean in the earlier records.
I can find no trace of her birth or her parents.
Can anyone help?
Thanks
Lizzie

PaulaD · Post by **PaulaD** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:44 pm

Hi Lizzie,

Welcome to Talking Scot

We're very distantly related through Peter Cunningham! Peter was my 3 x great grandmothers nephew. Unfortunately I only have Jean in the census so know nothing about her.

If Jean Jeanie is around hopefully she might know a bit more than me as she is related through the Cunninghams too!

Paula

Post by **SarahND** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:31 pm

Hi Lizzie,
Welcome to Talking Scot!

You don't mention where Jean was born, but from looking around at the censuses that I think are the ones you are referring to, I decided she was the one born in East Morton, Dumfries
If so, could this be her birth?

JEAN MCGHIE
Christening: 12 JUN 1826 Morton By Thornhill, Dumfries
Father: Robert McGhie
Mother: Catharine McConnan

Yes, I know the mother's maiden name is wrong, but my theory is that Catharine was widowed and married someone named Gracie later. On the death certificate, this name was given instead of the maiden name. I've seen it happen before. In that case... could this be Catharine in 1851?

1851
Grays Row, Coatbridge, Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Catherine Gracie, 51, Head, born Morton, Dumfrieshire
William Gracie, 8, Son, born Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scholar
James Hamilton, 19, Lodger, born Bothwell, Lanarkshire, Carter

Well, it's a guess!
All the best,
Sarah

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:21 pm

You could be right Sarah.

This death in 1876 may be worth checking to see who registerd it.

1876 MCGHIE CATHERINE GRACEY F 70 CADDER (EASTERN) /LANARK

Regards,
Annette M

Post by **SarahND** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:53 pm

Nice work, Annette!
That death cert looks like it could be interesting, indeed. I hope Lizzie gets back to us soon to let us know whether it sounds plausible, or whether I have headed us out on a wild goose chase!
Regards,
Sarah

Post by **SarahND** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:06 pm

In 1871 Catharine is McGhie again...

Public Rd, Cadder, Lanarkshire
James Hamilton, 39, Head, born Uddingston, Lanark, Railway Engine Driver
Janet Hamilton, 39, Wife, born East Norton, Dumfrieshire
Robert Hamilton, 6, Son, born Coodbridge, Lanark, Scholar
Cathrine McGhie, 70, Mother-in-law, born East Morton, Dumfries

Looks like James Hamilton, who was a "lodger" in 1851, ended up marrying the landlady's daughter!

Janet is also a child of Robert McGhie and Catharine McConnan, born 21 May 1830 in Morton by Thornhill, Dumfries according to the IGI

Hope this is the right family!
Sarah

Post by **AndrewP** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:17 pm

To add to the mystery, Janet McGhie, born Morton Dumfriess-shire married James Hamilton in Old Monkland in 1855 and named her parents as Robert McGie, deceased and Catherine McGie, maiden name Gracie. Robert McGie is described there as foreman of stables.

McGhie / McGie - the registrar's spelling, not mine.

Janet also died in Cadder - in 1917, aged 87.

All the best,

AndrewP

Post by **SarahND** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:51 pm

AndrewP wrote:To add to the mystery, Janet McGhie, born Morton Dumfriess-shire married James Hamilton in Old Monkland in 1855 and named her parents as Robert McGie, deceased and Catherine McGie, maiden name Gracie.

So where does McConnon come in?

There IS a Katherine McConnon born 17 NOV 1799 in Morton by Thornhill, Dumfries
Father: John McConnon
Mother: Jean Kerr

There are also many Gracies born in that parish, but none of them are K/Catherine

(By the way, this looks like another parish with only female names transcribed on the online IGI)

I will be interested to see what those death records say (and it might be worthwhile to follow down William Gracie, who was age 8 in the 1851 census. Was Catherine really his mother?

Good night,
Sarah

Post by **Jean Jeanie** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:26 pm

Hi All

Liz(zie) and I have been in touch privately as we "share" the Cunningham family.

Yes, Paula, we've found another "cousin"

I invited Liz(zie) to join us and throw her questions at us

Hope we can work this one out

Best wishes
Jean

LizzieS · Post by **LizzieS** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:15 pm

Hi All,
Thank you so much for all the information you sent. I have been trying all afternoon to untangle the mystery and my head is just spinning! Also Hi to Paula, distant relative.

First of all my apologies (this was my first posting) I neglected to say that Jean was born in East Morton Dumfries as Sarah surmised.

Why Catherine McConnan possibly became Gracie remains a mystery to me but the dates of her daughters birth seem to relate pretty well to the rest of their lives though the McConnan name does not resurface.
I traced the death of Catherine Mcghie as suggested by Annette and that seems to fit with other facts in that it states she is widow to Robert Mcghie, Farm Grieve and her father is given as ...... Gracey. Her mothers name I can't make out though it may say Not Known.
I think the Catherine Gracie living in Grays Row 1851 may be a red herring. I traced James Hamilton. There do seem to be 2, one born Bothwell and the other Uddingston. I have traced the second through the censuss with his wife Janet.

Jean dc and Janet marrriage give their father as Robert Mcghie and mother Catherine Gracie. Interestingly one of the witness to Janet and James Hamilton's marriage is Peter Cunningham. Jean was married to a Peter Cunningham?

So still no nearer finding how Catherine became a Gracie and have as yet found nothing further on Robert. Will keep trying.

If anyone has any further ideas I'd be very grateful

Thanks again to all of you.

Liz