Plantation Govan 1891

[Jean Jeanie]

Does anyone know if Blackburn Street and Mair St (Ancestry spelling) could be Main St, perhaps, are anywhere near each other?

Blackburn St is shown as Registration Number 646/1 ED 16

Mair St is shown as Registration Number 646/1 ED 2

Jospeh McAllister lived in Blackburn St. I am trying to establish a link to the John McAllister who lived in Mair St. Both born Ireland. Both worked in the docks. I think they may be brothers.

In 1901 they both lived in Uphall, West Lothian, within spitting distance of each other. Both working in the Oil Works

Best wishes
Jean

PS Forgot to say that John's d.c. can't be checked for the parents names as he went to America, leaving his wife and some of the kids behind

[Bervonian]

Hi Jean Jeanie,

Yes, you are correct. Blackburn Street and Mair Street are next to each other. According to the Post Office Directory there are 105 addresses in Blackburn Street (Odds 1-105 Evens 4-84).

[Jack]

Hi Jean,
Oops, just noticed your reply Bervonian.
You're right, today they are next to each other on the Paisley Rd. West.
These are new buildings as the old Plantation area was all but demolished in the 1960s-70s.
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So yes Jean, they are near to each other; only two streets separated them in the 1890s.
If you go to the useful NLS page at...
http://www.nls.uk/maps/townplans/townplans.html
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For Blackburn Street -
Select - Glasgow [1892-4]
Select - Centre square.
Click on VI.10.21 (bottom left)
Blackburn St. runs north from the Paisley Rd. to Govan Rd.
(2nd street from right hand side)
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For Mair Street -
Select - Glasgow [1892-4]
Select - Centre square.
Click on VI.10.22 (2nd from left at bottom)
Mair St. also runs north from the Paisley Rd. to Govan Rd.
(2nd street from left hand side)
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So the street order from west to east is...
Blackburn St.
Plantation St.
Eaglesham St.
Mair St.
...and thus not far at all from one another.
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Jack

[Jean Jeanie]

Hi Bervonian & Jack

That is fantastic, so close to each other.

So, I know Joseph McAllister(my g grandfather) came to Govan around 1890, as a child is born then, previous births in Ireland. I have his death cert showing his parents names as James McAllister and Nancy Magee.

A search on the IGI shows the birth of a John McAllister to parents of the same name. Born 1865 to James McAllister and Nancy Magee.

This John is found 2 streets away from Joseph in 1891 in Govan, both working in the docks. He has a child aged 1 in 1891, born in Glasgow.

So they both came over from Ireland at the same time. Both lived near each other in Govan in 1891 and both lived in adjacent streets in Uphall West Lothian in 1901.

Enough coincidences to make them brothers?

Opinions please

Best wishes
Jean

[Jack]

Hi Jean,
Certainly the coincidences in where both Joseph & John were living in 1891 & 1901 are good.
But more important is that the both their DCs have the same parents' names.
Have you found John's DC?
Hope so because same parent details are very hard to ignore!
So based on what you know at present it would seem reasonable to think that they are brothers.
(i.e. provided you have John's DC too....)
But it needs to be your decision....
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Jack

[Jean Jeanie]

Hi Jack

That's the problem

John left his wife and some of the children and went to America. This information came from one of his descendents

I can't find him on the Ellis Island site.

The parents names only connect through Joseph's d.c. and an extracted birth for John from the IGI.

So near yet so far

Best wishes
Jean

[Jack]

Hi Jean,
Ah, a wee bit of a problem then....
When you say "...left his wife and some of the children..."
Did this mean that some children came with John?
Was your info that he went to America from a Scottish descendant?

I know very little on the ins and outs of US records, but whereabouts did John end up?
Has he been found on any census 1910+ ?
Did he remarry? Any more children?

On the face of things it looks quite good for them being brothers...but the usual; no proof.
Sorry nothing more positive for you....
Jack

[Jean Jeanie]

Hi Jack

A lady I have been in touch with through the GR site is descended from John. Her father, who is still alive, told her that his grandfather left Broxburn and took some of the children and went to America and was never heard of again.

What the circumstances were, she does not know and neither does her father. No idea where he went or where he ended up.

Her father is Joseph, descended from Joseph, born 1901, who was one of John's sons. The name Joseph is another wee coincidence. Did John name one of his sons after his brother, my g grandfather?

Where to start the search for John in America is anyone's guess and we do not know how many or who the children were that went with him.

We might have to wait on a McAllister from over the pond to start researching their family tree

Ever the optimist

Best wishes
Jean

[Bervonian]

Hi Jean,

www.findmypast.com has a section - Passenger lists leaving UK. The index has a record of 3 or 4 John McAllisters leaving Glasgow bound for the USA. It's a pay-per-view site. Might be worth a look ?

[Jean Jeanie]

Hi Bervonian

Thanks for that.

However there are quite a few John McAllisters leaving Scotland for America showing on the Ellis Island site and none of them are him.

I expect this may be the same on www.findmypast.com


Best wishes
Jean