Kirks and Kings in Paisley Renfrewshire

tmerrell · Post by **tmerrell** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:23 pm

Hello from a newbie here.
I have drawn a blank on a Sarah Kirk that passed away on 9 Jan 1862 in Paisley Renfrewshire.
On her son's birth record it shows that she is from Ireland and that her father's name is Thomas Kirk.
She is married to a David King born in 1813 and who it says was born in Scotland whose parents are listed as Samuel King and Mary on his death record in Mass.,US in 1885. I can't find a marriage record for Sarah and David and no information on their parents.
Any help is appreciated.

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:54 pm

Hello,

According to the 1861 Scottish census David, Sarah and their first 4 children were born in Ireland.

A look on SP at their son David's birth at Paisley in 1861 should hopefully give date and place of marriage.

Kind regards,
Annette

tmerrell · Post by **tmerrell** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:03 am

We have David's brother, Robert's birth record from 1859, would David's from 1861 show more information than Robert's shows. We only are able to get Robert's birthday and his parents names off of the birth record, there is no place to show their parent's marriage info. Is it different in 1861 because we don't want to pay more to look at it if it doesn't have any more info. Our money resources are limited.

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:23 am

tmerrell wrote:We have David's brother, Robert's birth record from 1859, would David's from 1861 show more information than Robert's shows. We only are able to get Robert's birthday and his parents names off of the birth record, there is no place to show their parent's marriage info. Is it different in 1861 because we don't want to pay more to look at it if it doesn't have any more info. Our money resources are limited.

I can't promise but I can only go by what it says on SP -

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/conte ... 628#Births

Parent's date & place of marriage were not shown between 1856 & 1860 which is why I didn't suggest you look at Robert's or Samuel's entries.

Good luck,
Annette

Post by **AndrewP** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:23 am

Hi tmerrell,

Someone has been busy researching this family group. There is a lot of information submitted to the IGI about them, as well as the info taken from the Scottish records. Most of the information is submitted to the IGI, so you should try and verify it before taking it as fact.

WILLIAM KING
born 18-Apr-1845 Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
married Jeanette Gladstone Cowan 24-Dec-1866 Stow, Middlesex, Massachusetts
died 1889 Rochdale, Worcester, Massachusetts

ELIZA JANE KING
born 03-Apr-1848 Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
married Charles Alonzo McAlpine 02-May-1867
died 10-Sep-1925 Cumberland, Allegany, Maryland
buried 11-Sep-1925 Spring Brook Cemetery, Mansfield, Bristol, Massachusetts

MARY KING
born 28-Dec-1850 Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
married Henry Seacole 23-Dec-1871 Maynard, Middlesex, Massachusetts
died 20-Feb-1925 Andover, Essex, Massachusetts

SAMUEL KING
born 06-Jan-1857 High Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
died 29-Aug-1931

ROBERT KING
born 27-Apr-1859 High Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
married Harriet Ann Stephens 03-Jul-1886 Watertown, Middleton, Essex, Massachusetts
died 04-Feb-1893 Newton, Middlesex, Massachusetts
buried Waltham, Middlesex, Massachusetts

DAVID KING
bon 20-Dec-1861 High Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
died 15-Jan-1863 Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland

As Annette says above, the parents' marriage place and date should be shown on David's 1861 birth certificate.

All the best,

AndrewP

tmerrell · Post by **tmerrell** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:51 pm

Andrew and Annette,
My great-grandma Mary Ellen King who was a granddaughter did a lot of research on her line with the thought that all the kids were born in Scotland as well as the parents. We came up against a brick wall with the family being from Scotland and then found out on one of the censuses that they might be from Ireland. So I am taking it all with a grain of salt right now and trying to piece together this puzzling scenario. Thanks for the feedback.

Post by **AndrewP** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:20 pm

Hi tmerrell,

The 1861 census, as Annette said above shows the older children to be born in Ireland. However, it is not only the birthplaces, but at least one of the names does not go along with what has been submitted to the IGI.

1861 census
David King 48 - b Ireland
Sarah King 40 - b Ireland
William King 16 - b Ireland
Ann Jane King 14 - b Ireland (presumably Eliza Jane, from the IGI submissions)
Mary King 10 - b Ireland
Samuel King 4 - b Paisley
Robert King 2 - b Paisley

There's no obvious sign of the family group in Scotland for the 1851 census. It is most probable that they had not come across from Ireland by then. It also supports the likelihood of you finding an Irish marriage place for David and Sarah on David Jnr's birth certificate.

All the best,

AndrewP

tmerrell · Post by **tmerrell** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:46 pm

That goes along with my line of thinking as well. IGI is great as a general resource I am finding but doesn't beat leg-work.

tmerrell · Post by **tmerrell** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:52 pm

It shows that they were married in Londonderry in Sept. of 1842. Now the new quest begins.

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