My sister-in-law has asked me to research her family along with my own family research. Her father was a MacIver and her mother a Stewart, both originally from families of hawkers and tinsmiths. I am having great difficulty in doing this as I cannot check results because I cannot find a lot of bmd records. Did the travellers omit civil registration even after 1855? I have found some births on Scotlands People with annotations of the parents marriage eg.Cannich 1898 but when I check there is no registration of the marriage. Is this possible?
Many thanks
Patricia
Stewart/MacIver families - travelling hawkers and tinsmiths
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Hi Patricia
This may seem basic but have you checked all possible spellings of surnames particularly using wildcards. I would have thought Stewart and MacIver were prime candidates for misspelling.
However if all possible variants are excluded, if the people were travelling people maybe they had irregular marriages and did not register them. That seems quite possible.
Anne
This may seem basic but have you checked all possible spellings of surnames particularly using wildcards. I would have thought Stewart and MacIver were prime candidates for misspelling.
However if all possible variants are excluded, if the people were travelling people maybe they had irregular marriages and did not register them. That seems quite possible.
Anne
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Hi Patren:
Another stone for the mix, is that travelling hawkers, tinkers, etc. may not be in the place you expect them to be.
My gr-grandfather was a self-employed 'hawker of goods/silks', and I can't locate an aunt or an uncle in Glasgow in the right time-span. I'm beginning to think they may have been 'on the road' so they would have been registered wherever the parents happened to be at the time of birth.
For these two, I'm going to have to learn a lot more about the geography of Scotland
Frances
Another stone for the mix, is that travelling hawkers, tinkers, etc. may not be in the place you expect them to be.
My gr-grandfather was a self-employed 'hawker of goods/silks', and I can't locate an aunt or an uncle in Glasgow in the right time-span. I'm beginning to think they may have been 'on the road' so they would have been registered wherever the parents happened to be at the time of birth.
For these two, I'm going to have to learn a lot more about the geography of Scotland
Frances
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Hi Patricia
If the people you are looking for were traveling folk, then you could try looking at Blairgowrie, Perthshire as the Stewarts were a well known traveling family from that area for many many years.
There is a book that comes to mind;
"Queen amang the Heather"
it is about the life of Belle Stewart.
also if you google
"The Gypsy Queens"
you will get an article by Paul Dalgarno which was writen in the Sunday Herald.
yours aye
Bruce
If the people you are looking for were traveling folk, then you could try looking at Blairgowrie, Perthshire as the Stewarts were a well known traveling family from that area for many many years.
There is a book that comes to mind;
"Queen amang the Heather"
it is about the life of Belle Stewart.
also if you google
"The Gypsy Queens"
you will get an article by Paul Dalgarno which was writen in the Sunday Herald.
yours aye
Bruce
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Stewart/MacIver families - travelling hawkers and tinsmiths
Many thanks Anne, Frances and Bruce for your replies. Yes Anne I had tried wildcards, but with not much luck, but will go on trying. What a coincidence Bruce about the book on Belle Stewart. I live in Rome and had ordered it last week - not having found it in the International Bookshops.
I have had more luck with the MacIvers as they seemed to settle in Inverness a while before the Stewarts. I have got as far as William MacIver(spelt originally McIver) b.1806 Ireland who was resident in Portree, Isle of Skye in 1841 with his family. The MacIver's then married into the Stewart family and my sister-in-law's 2 grandmothers were cousins and her mother and father 2nd cousins. The Stewarts nearly all had the same names - which doesn't help a lot. My Rosses from Kilmuir Easter were much easier to trace!
Once again many thanks
Patricia
I have had more luck with the MacIvers as they seemed to settle in Inverness a while before the Stewarts. I have got as far as William MacIver(spelt originally McIver) b.1806 Ireland who was resident in Portree, Isle of Skye in 1841 with his family. The MacIver's then married into the Stewart family and my sister-in-law's 2 grandmothers were cousins and her mother and father 2nd cousins. The Stewarts nearly all had the same names - which doesn't help a lot. My Rosses from Kilmuir Easter were much easier to trace!
Once again many thanks
Patricia
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Hi Patricia
I also have travelling Stewarts in my tree - and were they trouble to trace or what!
My gg granny Helen Aitken (or Somerville whenever it took her fancy), married John Stewart, variously described as licensed hawker/umbrella maker/travelling merchant, sometime in 1859 at Crathie, Braemar, when she was barely (if even!) 16 and he was about 28. I think it was probably a traveller's marraige, as I can't find it recorded anywhere.
They travelled around the north and north east of Scotland. Their 9 children were born in Braemar, Garmouth, Keith, Elgin, Banff and Buckie.
John Stewart was born in Dublin around 1832. I believe I may have him on the 1841 census in Dundee with parents and a brother, but have not been able to confirm that its him. So if it is, his family moved from Ireland sometime in the 1830's.
John Stewart is a real brick wall for me, as he is last sighted on the 1881 census with Helen and the four youngest children, boarding in Tyrie, Aberdeenshire with a family of Murrays, also hawkers.
By 1891 Helen was travelling and hawking with a Henry Taylor (whom she married a few years later) and boarding in Forres. They had her youngest son William (my great grandad) with them, and young William thenceforward took the Taylor surname.
I have never found a death yet for John Stewart.
The 9 Stewart children are Helen b. 1859 Braemar, Thomas b. 1861 Garmouth, Mary b. 1863 Keith, Margaret b. 1865 Elgin, Jessie b. 1868 Elgin, Alice b. 1870 Banff, John b. 1873 Buckie, James b. 1875 Buckie and William b. 1877 Buckie.
William carried on the hawking/pedlar tradition, but don't have a lot of info on the others.
If you think there may be any connection and are interested in any more info on this Stewart family, please pm me.
Kind Regards
Ellen.
I also have travelling Stewarts in my tree - and were they trouble to trace or what!
My gg granny Helen Aitken (or Somerville whenever it took her fancy), married John Stewart, variously described as licensed hawker/umbrella maker/travelling merchant, sometime in 1859 at Crathie, Braemar, when she was barely (if even!) 16 and he was about 28. I think it was probably a traveller's marraige, as I can't find it recorded anywhere.
They travelled around the north and north east of Scotland. Their 9 children were born in Braemar, Garmouth, Keith, Elgin, Banff and Buckie.
John Stewart was born in Dublin around 1832. I believe I may have him on the 1841 census in Dundee with parents and a brother, but have not been able to confirm that its him. So if it is, his family moved from Ireland sometime in the 1830's.
John Stewart is a real brick wall for me, as he is last sighted on the 1881 census with Helen and the four youngest children, boarding in Tyrie, Aberdeenshire with a family of Murrays, also hawkers.
By 1891 Helen was travelling and hawking with a Henry Taylor (whom she married a few years later) and boarding in Forres. They had her youngest son William (my great grandad) with them, and young William thenceforward took the Taylor surname.
I have never found a death yet for John Stewart.
The 9 Stewart children are Helen b. 1859 Braemar, Thomas b. 1861 Garmouth, Mary b. 1863 Keith, Margaret b. 1865 Elgin, Jessie b. 1868 Elgin, Alice b. 1870 Banff, John b. 1873 Buckie, James b. 1875 Buckie and William b. 1877 Buckie.
William carried on the hawking/pedlar tradition, but don't have a lot of info on the others.
If you think there may be any connection and are interested in any more info on this Stewart family, please pm me.
Kind Regards
Ellen.
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