Brick Wall- Can anyone help me?

[mylife]

Hi to all at talking scot

I’m new too this site but not new too tracing my family tree its something I got hooked on nearly 13 years ago, but now I’ve hit a brick wall and wondered if anyone could help me !!!

Here’s the problem I’m trying to trace my GG Grandmother her name is Ann Boyd she born about 1840 in Dundee but that’s as far as I can get as I carn’t find her birth cert at all so don’t know her father and mother. But I do know who she married and her death and her children.

She married a Thomas Small in Dundee on 1-3-1861 they went on to have 10 children
William, Mary, Alexander, Catherine, Margaret Marr, Thomas, John Boyd, George Hay, Ann Boyd & Adam all born between 1861 & 1880 & all in Dundee.

She died on the 2-12-1905 in Dundee aged 65 as this is what it says on the death cert.
But that is where I get stuck!!!! On her marriage cert it says her parents are William Boyd & Ann McDonald both deceased at the time of her marriage.

If anyone can help it would be great as this has been bugging me for over 5 years now!!!!!

Thanks Julie,

[SarahND]

Hi Julie,
Welcome to Talking Scot!
I see you do have a problem there... no Ann Boyd with parents William and Ann in the earlier censuses. k Did her death certificate give the same parents' names as her marriage cert?

I'm assuming you have all the later census records for her (let me know if you don't)-- There is a John Boyd living with the Smalls in 1861 & 1871. He appears to be her brother, since in 1871 he is listed as "brother-in-law" to Thomas. Maybe if you follow him down and find his death or marriage cert, it would either support or not the names of the parents.

All the best,
Sarah

[momat]

Hi Julie,
There is this on the FREE CEN site http://freecen.rootsweb.com/
1841 Census

6 Records found

Piece: SCT1841/282 Place: Dundee -Angus Enumeration District: 80
Civil Parish: Dundee Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 8 Page: 10
Address: Smithfield


Surname First name(s) Sex
Age
Occupation Where Born Remarks
BOYD Owar M 25 Linen Handlm Weaver Ireland
BOYD Jean F 25 Ireland
BOYD William M 4 Angus
BOYD Ann F 1 Angus
PEMSLEY Colvell M 15 Linen Handlm Weaver Ireland
PEMSLEY George M 10 Linen Handlm Weaver Ireland

[mylife]

Hi Sarah

Thank-you yes I do have the later census records and have found that John Boyd married Margaret McNabb on 31-12-1874 in Dundee and he does have the same parents as Ann Boyd again both deceased but still no birth for either of them it's if they don't exist!!!

Thanks Julie

[nelmit]

Hello Julie,

Have you checked the 1861 census for Ann's address when she married?

Regards,
Annette

[Chris Paton]

Here’s the problem I’m trying to trace my GG Grandmother her name is Ann Boyd she born about 1840 in Dundee but that’s as far as I can get as I carn’t find her birth cert at all so don’t know her father and mother. But I do know who she married and her death and her children.

Assuming she was Protestant, she may well have belonged to a church that wasn't the established Church of Scotland.

I see from Diane Baptie's "Registers of the Secession Churches of Scotland" that birth records for Dundee Tay Square UP church exist from 1831 - 48. The accession number for the microfilm for these held at NAS Edinburgh is CH3/15. The records for all other Dundee protestant denominations exist either before this period or after 1843 (Free Church formation). Might be worth checking out the Tay Street records, though these are not online.

Also, 'Owar Boyd' might well be a misrecording of John Boyd, if it is actually meant to be 'Owen'. 'Owen' is the same as Irish Gaelic 'Eoin' or 'Eoghain', which is the Gaelic equivalent of John ('Iain' in Scotland). I've seen this in a similar circumstance with a record in Airdrie, where the name was also recorded as 'Yohan', as pronounced, and later as John. If the family were Roman Catholic, best to get in touch with the Scottish Catholic Archives.

Chris

[karenmcc]

Hi Julie,

This is an extracted entry from the IGI

Anne BOYNE b 29 Jul 1838, St Andrew Roman Catholic, DUNDEE.

parents William BOYNE and Anne McDONALD.

This came up doing a search with first name only, fathers first name only and mothers full name.

Don't know if it is correct, but BOYNE and BOYD could be mistaken.

Karen