Richmonds of Paisley

prufrockster · Post by **prufrockster** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:47 am

My grandfather was Thomas Galbraith Richmond (1895-1983). He was born at 31 St James Street, Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland. I would like to correspond with anyone who might know about or who may be related to the Richmonds of Paisley, and my other Scottish descendants.

Thomas' mother was Jane (Jeanie) Galbraith (1870-1913), the daughter of Thomas Galbraith, a shipbuilder from Paisley and Glasgow (although born in Ireland).

Thomas Richmond's grandfather, James (1846-1928), was a baker in Paisley. He was married to Mary Gilmour (1849-1923) from Beith, Ayrshire.

Other family surnames include:

Fraser
Hamilton
Barr
Mackendrick
Whiteford
Irvine

Thanks, Drew Hayes, Melbourne, Australia

Post by **SarahND** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:26 am

Hi Drew,
Welcome to Talking Scot! [talkingscot]

I assume this is the family in 1901? Perhaps someone will recognize some of the other family members:

1901
4 Townhead Terr, Paisley, Renfrewshire
William Richmond, 26, Head, born Renfrewshire, Paisley, Baker
Jeanie Richmond, 28, Wife, born Lanarkshire, Partick
James Richmond, 8, Son, born Renfrewshire, Gourock
Thomas G Richmond, 5, Son, born Renfrewshire, Paisley
William Richmond Jr, 3, Son, born Renfrewshire, Paisley
John Richmond, 44, Uncle, born Renfrewshire, Paisley, Baker
James Ritchie, 23, Visitor, born Renfrewshire, Paisley, Grocer
Isabella Ritchie, 23, Visitor, born Buenos Ayres
Robert Ritchie, 3, Visitor, born Renfrewshire, Paisley
Thomas G Ritchie, 7mo, born Renfrewshire, Paisley

Do you know who the visitors were? They appear to have named their youngest Thomas Galbraith also... and she was born in Buenos Ayres. Interesting!

All the best,
Sarah

prufrockster · Post by **prufrockster** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:13 am

Sarah,

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I do know of these people from the 1901 census. Jeanie (nee Galbraith) is my G-Grandmother who, although registered as being born in Partick, was actually born in Rio de Janeiro (according to my grandfather). Her father Thomas, being a ship-builder, travelled the world for work. I believe Isabella Ritchie is Jeanie's sister Isabella Galbraith. Like Jeanie, it is quite possible she was born in South America due to her father's work. I did not know this though, so thanks. James would be Isabella's husband, and the children are Robert and Thomas G(albraith ?).

Post by **SarahND** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:18 am

Hi again,

prufrockster wrote:Yes, I do know of these people from the 1901 census. Jeanie (nee Galbraith) is my G-Grandmother who, although registered as being born in Partick, was actually born in Rio de Janeiro (according to my grandfather).

These are much earlier, but similar in that the baptisms are found in the Logie Buchan, Aberdeenshire OPRs, although they took place in Rio de Janeiro.

http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8178

In 1891 also, Isabella and brother Thomas are down as having been born in Buenos Ayres, but their sisters Jane and Mary in Partick:

1891
28 Albert Road, Inverkip, Gourock, Renfrewshire
Magdalene Russell, 55, Head, born St Andrews, Fife Shire, Living on Private Means
James Melville, 28, Nephew, born St Andrews, Fife Shire, Slater
Mary Galbraith, 22, Boarder, born Partick, Glasgow
Jane Galbraith, 20, Boarder, born Partick, Glasgow
Isabella Galbraith, 16, Boarder, born Buenos Ayres British Subject S America
Thomas Galbraith, 14, Boarder, born Buenos Ayres British Subject S America, Scholar
Elizabeth Lamont, 49, Servant, born Glasgow, Lanarkshire, General Servant Domestic

In 1881 also, when they are with their mother, who must have known where they were born!

1881
80 Calder Street, Glasgow Hutchesontown
Mary Galbraith, 53, Wife, born Glasgow, Lanarkshire, No Occupation Suppls By Husband Abroad
Mary Galbraith, 11, Daughter, born Partick, Dumbartonshire, Scholar
Jane Galbraith, 10, Daughter, born Partick, Dumbartonshire, Scholar
Isabella Galbraith, 6, Daughter, born So America, Buenos Ayres, Scholar
Thomas Galbraith, 5, Son, born So America, Buenos Ayres, Scholar

And the whole family was in Scotland for the 1871 census, Mary 1 year old and Jane 6 months old, both born Partick-- so looks like the two older girls were definitely born in Scotland, but sailed to South America when they were very small. What an interesting childhood!

All the best,
Sarah

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:08 pm

Hello Drew,

The Glasgow Herald mentions a William Richmond, a baker from Paisley, a few times in the 1860’s mainly in connection with thefts from the shop. There are also death notices for William Richmond, Baker, 46 Moss Street, Paisley, died 1892 age 73, Isobel Fraser Richmond, died 1898 at Saltcoats, age 80 and John Fraser Richmond, a baker from Anderston, died 1893.

Are these people part of your family group?

Alan

deano · Post by **deano** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:16 pm

Hello Drew, and Alan,

Alan it looks like you are bang on with the William Richmond, and Isabella Fraser, they were married 27/June/1845. High Church, Paisley.

On the 1851. census index for Abbey/Renfrew, the couple are living with two children.

William Richmond, age 31 years, Born Paisley,
Isabella Richmond, age 31 years, Born Paisley,
James Richmond, age 5 years, Born Paisley,
Isabella Richmond, age 3 years, Born Paisley.

If you jump to 1881. 6 Moss Street, Paisley.

Wm. Richmond, Head, Baker, M. age 61 years, M. born Paisley,
Isabella F. Richmond, Wife, M. age 63 years, F. born Paisley,
Isabella F. Richmond, Daur, Bakers Shop Saleswoman, U. age 33 Years, F. born Paisley,
Alex F. Richmond, Son. Bakers Shop Van Man, U. age 27 years, M. born Paisley,
John Richmond, Son, Bakers Shopman, U. age 25 years, M. born Paisley,
Thomas H. Richmond, Son, Baker, U. age 23 years, M. born Paisley,
Mary Nimmo Serv. Domestic Servant, U. age 24 years, F. born Glasgow,
Mary Nichol, Serv. Domestic Servant, U. age 17 years, F. born Kilmarnock.

Looks like the F. as initial for second name is for Fraser, mothers maiden name.

Regards,
Jonn.

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:21 am

Thanks John,

Looking at them again it was 6 Moss St. on the 1892 death notice and 46 on the earlier items.

Mrs. Richmond was obviously not a woman to be trifled with. This is from the Glasgow Herald, 9th December, 1865.

PAISLEY.
THEFT PROM A TILL.—James Strathearn, aged about eighteen years, and previously convicted of theft, was charged before Bailie Masson, at the Police Court yesterday, with stealing a half-crown within the shop of William Richmond, baker, 46 Moss Street, on Thursday last. He denied the charge, and from the evidence it appeared that about noon on Thursday, he entered the shop and asked for a pie, tendering a half-crown, which Mrs. Richmond placed in the till and gave him the change. She then went to the back door to order a pie from the bakehouse, and on returning to the shop observed the money drawer open and the half-crown gone. She went round the counter and seized the prisoner, and demanded the coin; but he denied all knowledge of it, and said that she had dropped it on the floor. A young woman who had come in during her absence then stated that, on entering, the prisoner was leaning over the counter with his hand in the till, and that he dropped something on the floor. Search was then made, and the half-crown was got inside the counter. The charge was found proven, and he was sent to prison for 60 days.

All the best,
Alan

prufrockster · Post by **prufrockster** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:18 am

Thanks you all so much for your information.
William Richmond (1820-1892) was my G-G-G-Grandfather and Isabella Fraser (1817-1898), my G-G-G-Grandmother. She died at Yonderfield, Eglinton Place, Saltcoats, Old Ardrossan, Ayrshire.
The middle initial "F" in a number of the names is indeed "Fraser".

I will review all of this data to make sure I have it on record. The newspaper record is amazing.

Best wishes, Drew in Oz.

prufrockster · Post by **prufrockster** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:34 am

Alan, are there any other details about John Fraser Richmond who dies in 1893 ? Where is Anderston ?

Drew

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:50 am

Hello Drew,

The notice in the Glasgow Herald 26th September, 1893, says:

RICHMOND.—At 138 North Street, on 25th inst., John Fraser Richmond, baker, Anderston. —Friends, please accept this intimation.

Anderston is sort of here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderston

If you want the newspaper images just send me an email address via a PM (Personal Message) and I’ll send them.

All the best,
Alan

LATER

There’s a marriage notice in the Glasgow Herald, 4th April, 1893.

TAYLOR—RICHMOND. —At 138 North Street, on the 3d inst., by the Rev. James Kerr, D.D., of the Reformed Presbyterian Church, John Taylor, to Helen Cowan Stark, eldest daughter of J. F. Richmond.

Alan