Murray/Rennie Greenock East

caljam371 · Post by **caljam371** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:13 pm

Merry Christmas to you all - hope it was a good one and that you're all set for Hogmanay!!

I have a Mary Murray born to James Murray and Janet Rennie in 1839 in Greenock.

The family are still in Greenock in 1841 (St James St - can't find it) along with Mary's wee brother James age 4months (Can't find his birth) and Mary's uncle David Rennie.

By 1851 Mary, brother James and a sister Jane/Jean (born Dalserf, Lanark) are all living in Carluke with their "Grandmother" Mary Clark -

Name: Mary Murray
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relationship: Grandaughter (Granddaughter)
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenock, Renfrew
Parish Number: 629
Civil Parish: Carluke
Town: Carluke
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Kirton Street
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Page: 42 </cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&ti=5538&r=5538&db=1851Scotland&F0=CSSCT1851_150-1317&F7=42> (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 165
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1851_150
Household Members:
Name Age
James Clark 27
Mary Clark 64
James Murray 10
Jane Murray 7
Mary Murray 13

- Gained from a Smash and Grab Ancestry freebie!!

I've got Mary's birth, marriage and death certs all naming her parents.

I can't find what happened to her parents or who her grandparents were.

Any help would REALLY be appreciated!!

Thanks,

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:23 pm

Hi caljam

I've got Mary's birth, marriage and death certs

One question first: if Mary married after 1855, which I'm guessing she did, what church is mentioned in the second column?

Could the parents have perhaps died between 1841 - 55 or emigrated, hoping to bring the kids out later?

What is the situation in 1851?

Best wishes
Lesley

caljam371 · Post by **caljam371** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:28 pm

Mary married William Thomson in 1861 in Dalserf, Lanark "After Banns According to the Forms of the Established Church of Scotland"

caljam371 · Post by **caljam371** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:30 pm

LesleyB wrote:Hi caljam
I've got Mary's birth, marriage and death certs
One question first: if Mary married after 1855, which I'm guessing she did, what church is mentioned in the second column?

Could the parents have perhaps died between 1841 - 55 or emigrated, hoping to bring the kids out later?

What is the situation in 1851?

Best wishes
Lesley

Sorry it was 1851 that they were with Mary Clark - will edit!!

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:31 pm

Hi
Ok, so that means they should be turning up in OPRs and Kirk Session records. Good.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:32 pm

Ah, OK, so the parents appear to disappear between 1841 - 51.
Wonder what the state of the OPRs are for the area?

How much do you know about these Clarks? The elder lady must be (if the realtionships are to be trusted) either the mother's mother or the father's mother.

caljam371 · Post by **caljam371** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:34 pm

I'm guessing they did die between 1841 & 1851 but I'm not sure where to prove this (I need to go part-time

). Emigration had also crossed my mind but I've not found any evidence yet!

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:37 pm

I know it means speniding some money, but I'd be tempted to look at the original 1851 page just to see if all is the same as you found listed in Ancestry, and if there are any further wee clues.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:47 pm

All areas of Greenock are not looking too hopeful for OPR deaths:
http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/files1/f ... 2to575.pdf

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:51 pm

This must be them in 1841 - thanks to Freecen

Piece: SCT1841/564 Place: Greenock -Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 121
Civil Parish: Greenock East Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 120 Page: 15
Address: St James St
MURRAY James M 30 Carpenter Renfrewshire
MURRAY Janet F 30 Renfrewshire
MURRAY Mary F 3 Renfrewshire
MURRAY James M 4m Renfrewshire
RENNIE David M 25 Carpenter Journeyman Renfrewshire

So all born Renfrewshire by the looks of things.