brickwall re Mccallum

[mrbred]

Please can anyone HELP.
Iam looking for my ggrandfather Duncan Mccallum born 1851/55 Scotland - between 1885/1905 he had eleven children with my ggrandmother Catherine (nee Manning) but cannot find ant marriage between them in England or Scotland.
Rumour has that he was already married to someone in Scotland maybe that is why I cannot trace a marriage cert.
I found Duncan on the 1901 census name misspelt (Mccallund) living in Chatham Kent as a Ships Labourer. Two of the children certs have got him as Robert and not Duncan so Iam very confused.
On all the certs I have of his chidren his main occupation is Labourer at the Docks in England.

[WilmaM]

Hello and Welcome to Talking Scot.

Could you give a little more information on your 'man'.

For instance: where was he living at various census times, where were the family when the children were each born.

Have you any idea where he was born in Scotland? I take it you have his birth country from the 1901 census, but have you any further idea of where?

No answers - only questions I'm afraid but knowing how much you know helps the folks here look in other places.

[SarahND]

Hi mrbred,
Welcome to Talking Scot!

On the 1901 census, the oldest son Robert is supposed to have been born in Scotland around 1884. Are you thinking he is a son from the first wife? It might be interesting to look up his birth cert.

All the best,
Sarah

[mrbred]

Hi mrbred,
Welcome to Talking Scot!

On the 1901 census, the oldest son Robert is supposed to have been born in Scotland around 1884. Are you thinking he is a son from the first wife? It might be interesting to look up his birth cert.

All the best,
Sarah

Hi Sarah,
Sorry for delay - been away. I have searched the Scotlandspeople site and there is no Robert born to Duncan around those years. I therefore assume it was the first born to Duncan and Catherine Manning although she already had two illegitimate children Henry around 1880 and Elizabeth 1881 the latter born in Chatham Kent Workhouse. On the 1891 census however Robert is shown as born in Durham. There is no trace of his birth cert in GRO but that also applies to three of his other children. Any ideas?
Mrbred

[mrbred]

Hello and Welcome to Talking Scot.

Could you give a little more information on your 'man'.

For instance: where was he living at various census times, where were the family when the children were each born.

Have you any idea where he was born in Scotland? I take it you have his birth country from the 1901 census, but have you any further idea of where?

No answers - only questions I'm afraid but knowing how much you know helps the folks here look in other places.

Hi,
Sorry for delay- been away.
The only entry for my ggrandfather Duncan is where he appears (misspelt)with his family on the 1901 census. His partner Catherine and children appear without him on the 1891 census living at Deptford London . Catherine had 2 illegitimate children before meeting Duncan. Their first 3 recorded children Catherine, Duncan (my grandfather) and Thomas were born in 1886,1887 and 1890 at Whitechapel London. The next 2 children James and Catherine ( the first Catherine died at 10 months old) were born between 1891 and 1894 at Lambeth London but there is no record of their births at the GRO. 4 more children were born Medway Kent - twins Archibald and Charles 1899, Margaret Agnes 1901 and Mary Edith 1905.
Duncan`s partner Catherine died aged 50 in 1912 whilst apparently living with her first daughter Elizabeth at Camberwell London. Her death cert shows her as widow of Duncan Mccallum so presumably he died somewhere between 1905 and 1912 but there is no trace of his death cert.
I don`t know where my ggrandfather Duncan was born in Scotland - the only info I have is from the 1901 census. My late father used to say that he thought the family originated from Argyll but I have found no evidence of this.
Any help would be appreciated.
mrbred

[SarahND]

Hi mrbred,
This may be nothing to do with your family, but in 1881 there is a Duncan McCallum, Dock Labourer, living in Edinburgh St Giles. He was born in Argyll (but then so were the majority of McCallums, as far as I can see!).

1881
20 Bank St, Edinburgh St Giles, Midlothian
Duncan McCallum, 49, Head, born Cambelton, Argyleshire, Dock Labourer
Joan McCallum, 50, Wife, born Edin, Midlothian

This one is older than the Duncan you found in the 1901 census. Do you have any other support for his birth year than that census? If not, then maybe this could be him.

In 1891 Joan is alone, but I can't tell from the Ancestry transcription whether or not she says she is a widow.

1891
13 Albany St, Leith North, Midlothian
John Miner, 53, Head, born Edinr, Stoker - Steamship
Joan McCallum, 61, Sister, born Edinr
Mary Friskin, 21, Niece, born England, Seamstress
Elizabeth Miner, 58, Sister-in-law, born Edinr, Seamstress
Rachel Finlayson, 13, Visitor, born Edinr, Scholar

Worth keeping in mind, perhaps.

All the best,
Sarah

P.S. Have you been able to find the whereabouts of the children who were not living with Catherine in 1891? i.e., where are Duncan Jr and Thomas?

[mrbred]

Hi mrbred,
This may be nothing to do with your family, but in 1881 there is a Duncan McCallum, Dock Labourer, living in Edinburgh St Giles. He was born in Argyll (but then so were the majority of McCallums, as far as I can see!).

1881
20 Bank St, Edinburgh St Giles, Midlothian
Duncan McCallum, 49, Head, born Cambelton, Argyleshire, Dock Labourer
Joan McCallum, 50, Wife, born Edin, Midlothian

This one is older than the Duncan you found in the 1901 census. Do you have any other support for his birth year than that census? If not, then maybe this could be him.

In 1891 Joan is alone, but I can't tell from the Ancestry transcription whether or not she says she is a widow.

1891
13 Albany St, Leith North, Midlothian
John Miner, 53, Head, born Edinr, Stoker - Steamship
Joan McCallum, 61, Sister, born Edinr
Mary Friskin, 21, Niece, born England, Seamstress
Elizabeth Miner, 58, Sister-in-law, born Edinr, Seamstress
Rachel Finlayson, 13, Visitor, born Edinr, Scholar

Worth keeping in mind, perhaps.

All the best,
Sarah

P.S. Have you been able to find the whereabouts of the children who were not living with Catherine in 1891? i.e., where are Duncan Jr and Thomas?

Hi Sarah,
Thanks for the info. I don`t think this is my man as his birth year would be around 1832. I know my Duncan had his last child Mary Edith in 1905 and on her birth cert he was still working as a Labourer so if it were the same person he would have been aged 73 by then.

I don`t know where Duncan jnr and Thomas were at the time of the 1891 census. They don`t appear anywhere else on the 1891 census so we don`t know whether they were with their father or just not registered because of overcrowding in the slums of Deptford where they lived.

A distant cousin (the grandaughter of James - another son of Duncan snr) says that James thought his father came from a place called Mccallums Moor in Scotland. Have you ever come across it?

Many thanks for your help.
mrbred

[nelmit]

Have you looked at the 2 Robert McCall*n births between 1883 - 1884 on SP to see if either of them is his son born Scotland?

Regards,
Annette

[mrbred]

Have you looked at the 2 Robert McCall*n births between 1883 - 1884 on SP to see if either of them is his son born Scotland?

Regards,
Annette

Thanks for the info. I have checked SP for Mccallum but have not tried McCall*n for these years. I will have another look.
Thelma

[mrbred]

Hi Everyone. Iam back and still no further with my brickwall trying to trace my ggrandfather Duncan Mccallum Sometimes Robert on his children birth cert.
Cannot trace his death he was alive in kent England around 1906,his partner died Camberwell London in 1912 and states she was a widow so maybe he died in Scotland.
Please can anyone give me some ideas?
Also does anybody know if there was a plce called Mccallum Moor in Scotland.
Many thanks.
Mrbred