The Carrick family.

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Ann In the UK
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The Carrick family.

Post by Ann In the UK » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:43 am

Hi everyone, this is my first posting. Sorry this one is so long. I came here yesterday from Scotland’s People and just hung around for ages delighted with all the help and information available. Hopefully we can help each other!

I’ve been looking into my Scottish roots for a while now but, although I have tons of information on some of the individuals I’ve traced so far, I haven’t managed to go back very far. I’m stuck on my 3xgreat grandfather, William Carrick who, it seems, was born in the Auchinloch area, c1810. Although this appears to have been a mining town, he was listed as a carter in 1838 when he married my 3xgreat grandmother, Flora McMillan, in Glenmavis, Airdre. I’ve been unable to trace a birth register so far, largely because when I was in the Mitchell Library last year I didn’t even know where he’d been born (see below).

In the 1841 census, Flora was visiting her parent’s in Blaich, the crofting village near Fort William where she was born and raised (and I suspect, evicted from during the Clearances). With her is what can only be their son Hugh (born April 1840 in Pollockshaws Road, Muirhouse/Strathbungo) although the document suggests it was their son William, which is impossible as he wasn’t born until a few years later. I can only suppose that the enumerator knew the family and assumed the child had been named after his father. The only census William appears in is in 1851, when he, Flora and their children Hugh, William, Margaret, Duncan and my 2xgreat grandfather, James, lived on Rothesay High St. There were several other Carrick families in the area at the time, and I’ve spent a lot of time trying to connect them all together, to no avail - so far. Here, William is listed as a labourer and his place of birth is listed as ‘U.K.’ – which presumable means unknown.

Going by their children’s birth records, it seems the family moved about quite a bit. As I said, Hugh was born in Glasgow. Young William was born in Balfron, Stirlingshire, c1843. Margaret was born on the Shirvan/Castleton estate, Lochgilphead c1845. When Duncan was born c1848 , they’d moved back to Pollockshaws Road, Govan. And, when James was born, in Feb 1850 they were living in Rothesay. A year later, for the 1851 census, they were still there. However, only a year or so after that, c1852/53 (i.e. just before Stat. Regs were introduced - hence no death register either :roll: ) William Sr appears to have died and, according to a Parochial Aid application Flora made some time later, this was in Glasgow. I have no idea how, but I suspect it may have been in the Anderston district, as this is where Flora moved to some years later, when the children had all flown the coop. Flora, her daughter, and one of Margaret’s daughters, Margaret Jane, all died there, at 16 Sharp’s lane, in the 1870’s. I think the reason for this move may have been to do with her sons job’s. Hugh, Duncan and James all became merchant mariners and I know at least one of them, James, sailed on vessels from there, as well as on at least one that was built in Kingston Dock. Their other son, William, became a soldier in the 79th Regiment, based at Aldershot, England for many years. But I have my suspicions that he ended up in San Francisco, US by about 1880.

James ended up in Liverpool, where I was born and raised and where most of my family still live. For a while at least, Duncan ended up there too, before disappearing into the ether c1890 – I have no idea where he ended up. Hugh seems to have gone to sea around 1860, but I haven’t had much luck with finding out where he ended up either. When James married in 1875, his deceased father was listed as a fisherman.

Well, I hope that’s enough information for now – has anyone been banging on the other side of my brick wall?

Regards,
Ann

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Post by JustJean » Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:11 pm

Hi Ann

First off sadly no I'm not a banging on the other side of the wall relative. I'm am intrigued though and impressed with the level of information you've accumulated so far. I'm curious too as to how you've derived the likely place of birth for William as Auchinloch 1810ish. ALso the detailed place of marriage as Glenmavis Airdrie? Was this from something in the poor relief file as the OPR record simply states they were residing in Barony at the time. I'm sure you've noted there is a very unhelpful generic Mrs. Carrick in Airdrie 1841 (see below)...have you tried to followup on this household to see if it goes anywhere?
Civil Parish: Airdrie
County: Lanarkshire
Address: North St
Occupation: Pirnfiller
Parish Number: 651

Household Members:
Mrs Carrick 60
Helen Mathison 40
Agnes Taylor 4

Best wishes
Jean

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Post by JustJean » Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:09 pm

Did you have the OPR birth record for Hugh? You mentioned April 1840 but the IGI and SP have it 23 FEB 1840 with a christening in Gorbals 29 MAR 1840.

Best wishes
Jean

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Post by Ann In the UK » Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:19 pm

Hi Jean, Wow, that's service!

I knew William and Flora had been married in Barony because I have a copy of thier marriage register in 1838 (from SP). Flora's later Parochial aid applications suggested they'd married at Glenmavis, and gave Auchinloch as William's place of birth.

Yes, I have seen the lovely pirnfiller (whatever the heck that is!) but hadn't really gone any further with it as there didn't seem much to go on.

Apologies for mistakenly giving Hugh's birthdate in April. Yes you're correct, that's him in March. That's what I get for trying to be clever and writing this stuff from memory!

Thanks for your interest,

Regards
Ann

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Post by Ann In the UK » Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:50 pm

Sorry, I missed one of your queries.

William was 41 in the 1851 census, which gave me a rough guide to when he was born. It actually looks like it says he's 21 - and that's what age the search shows - but that'd mean he was 11 when Hugh was born, which is highly unlikely. And on close inspection, the 2 is more likely to be a lazy 4.

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Post by JustJean » Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:39 pm

Hi Ann

No apololgies necessary!!! Just glad you had Hugh's data. My typing from memory always gets me in trouble too! :? Poor relief records are truly a boon! Interesting that Flora gave a place of marriage that was outwith Barony confines...or at least I think it was. It was close though. Interesting too that in 1851 whoever gave the enumerator the long list of places of birth (different ones for each member of the family no less!) that they didn't know where William was born...but she pops up with the information years later. They did choose some names for children that seem to follow somewhat of a naming pattern....so I wonder if Hugh was William's father? Any idea who Margaret McNeil might have been? I noticed the indexed age being off in 1851 and truly it does look like a 2 so I'm not surprised. Like you point out it just doesn't compute though!!

A pirn filler can be learned about from any number of google search results. A very detailed account of the practice of weaving is found here: http://www.ayrshirehistory.org.uk/Bibli ... s/an30.pdf from which you'll learn.....

"Pirn-filling was a separate operation but every weaver had to have a pirn-filler. Pirns were small wood pins with a hole in one end, and upon these the weft was wound, generally by women in their own homes, the weaver calling for them when his stock was exhausted. The pirn was stuck in the shuttle and plied between the yarn till the weft was all unwound, when the empty one was taken out and a full one put in."

Best wishes
Jean

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Post by Ann In the UK » Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:32 pm

Hi again Jean,

Thank you so much for your continued interest. I'm very, very grateful.

In the 1861 census at Old Vennel, Rothesay (William was dead by that point and the transcription lists the family as Carrich, rather than Carrrick, but it is them) all of those who remained at home suddenly acquired middle names - none of which were used subsequently.

Flora is listed as Flora MacMillan Carrich (I understand many widows reverted back to their maiden names after the death of a spouse, so that explains that one)

Her daughter Margaret inexplicably becomes Margaret McNeil Carrick.

Duncan becomes Duncan M Carrick.

And my 2x great grandfather, James becomes James Wemyss Carrick. (His name was actually James Alexander - but I have no idea where that name comes from either, and I've toyed with the idea that that's a possible candidate too, as James reused it for one of his sons - he had William James, a James Alexander, and a Walter, who was apparently Christened James Walter!).

Now, I can't explain Duncan and Margaret's additions at all (as far as I'm aware neither of them ever married. Duncan lived near my 2x great grandparents between voyages in Liverpool for many years, and Margaret had 2 illegitimate children with a Bute hairdresser called James McLean before she died at the tragic age of 27).

However, where James is concerned, we've speculated that, as he went on to become a mariner, perhaps this was a nickname to distinguish him both from his mariner brothers, and from the other James Carricks who lived in their small area Rothesay at the time (I counted 5 at one point - still haven't figured out the connections yet though!). We wondered whether, perhaps, the three brothers served some kind of apprenticeship on board local ships before embarking on their round the world adventures, and perhps James worked on the Rothesay-Weymss ferrry at some point.

I think you're right about William's father potentially being a Hugh. It's something I've considered for a while now. However, all of the searches I've done have thrown up nothing - or at least, I can't make any sense of what I've seen.

I'd also kicked around the idea that Hugh may have been named after one of Flora's brother's who, perhaps had been forced to leave Blaich for foreign shores during the Clearances. But although I've made much headway with my MacMillan research, and I've visited the area several times, I haven't yet managed to find a great deal out about Flora's specific family other than that her parent's were Duncan and Jean/Janet and they were crofters living on the Ardgour estate in Blaich. (Thanks to the Clan MacMillan centre, and various books, I can trace a relatively solid line back many centuries from about the mid 1600s. However, I have yet to fill in the blank names, and join all the dots between my MacMillans of Locheil/Lochaber, and those of Locharchaig, where that branch of the MacMillan clan are known to have originated. But besides all that, naming a first child after the wife's brother doesn't fit with the traditional naming pattern, does it?

Best wishes, and thanks again,
Ann

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Post by Ann In the UK » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:02 pm

I finally found Flora in her missing 1871 census - I've only been looking for it for about a year!

Ancestry have mistranscribed her as Flora Jarrick, even though the copy I finally managed to track down at SP clearly says Carrick. But SP didn't get it right either - they must have mistranscribed it too. I eventually managed to get it by entering the names of the people she was lodging with, according to the Ancestry transcription, and hey-pretzle! There she was. [woohoo]

I now have a full set of census's for her, from 1841-1871. Another little piece of the jigsaw completed.

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CARRICK-Stirling

Post by kiltie » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:30 am

hi ann i'm also researching carricks from stirling area,all descendants of robert carrick and mary paterson, c 1770could this be the same as your family.

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Post by Ann In the UK » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:51 am

Hi,

Unfortunately I can't answer that question for sure. All I know is my lot seemed to move about a lot, and it seems to me the places they moved to nearly always had a bunch of Carricks living nearby - Anderston and Bute particularly, and I am aware that there were many Carrick families in the Balfron area in the early 1840s, when they were there. I have a suspicion that they were moving to be near family who'd told them about work in the local area.

I hope one day to make connections to some of these families, maybe even to your lot :D

(How many Williams and James' do you have in your lot? Doesn't make easy does it? :shock:)