Cochrane/Cochran

cindyc · Post by **cindyc** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:18 pm

Hello, I am researching the Cochrane line, possibly from the Kirkcaldy, Fife area. Specifically, I am looking for Charles Stuart Cochrane, son of Alexander Forrester Cochrane. I know he brought the spinning of cashmere and merino wool to Scotland and died shortly after getting his business started, but don't know where he died or if he married. Does anyone have any info on him, this Cochrane family line, or on a David Cochrane of Kirkcaldy, Fife? Thanks for your help.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:29 pm

Hi cindyc
...and a warm welcome to Talking Scot

Can you maybe give us some idea of a date range for your Charles Stuart Cochrane? About when did he live?

Best wishes
Lesley

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:33 pm

Is this him?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cashmere_wool
"Captain Charles Stuart Cochrane collected the required information while in Paris and received a Scottish patent for the process in 1831. "

http://www.ilab.org/db/book860_21644.html
"Captain Charles Stuart Cochrane, the second son of Admiral Sir Alexander Cochrane, was born on HMS Thetis. ....He was raised to the rank of full admiral in 1819, and held the office of commander-in-chief at Plymouth from 1821 to 1824. His death occured at Paris on 26th January 1832. " (refers to death of Alexander, not Charles..)
- lots of other good info at that link

And again, lot of good stuff here inc. letters
http://bankingletters.co.uk/page12.html

- and lots more info in Google Books.
"This, I believe, is reference to his father (Sir Alexander Forrester Inglis Cochrane) who belonged to a family of which the naval service is justly proud, being the 9th son of Thomas, 8th Earl of Dundonald, and , better known by the name of Lord Cochrane"

"The Board of Trustees offered a premium of L. 300 Sterling to the introducer and establisher of this manufacture; which premium Captain Cochrane accordingly received in 1834, his merino yarn being pronounced equal, if not superior, to the best French yarns. After this satisfactory result, the business was extended to meet the demand of the trade ; but, unfortunately for the spirited introducer, death cut him short before his plans were fully brought to a profitable result. " - so death occurred on or after 1834.

http://www.scotclans.com/scottish_clans ... eople.html

And what appears to be a protrait here:
http://www.lunacommons.org/luna/servlet ... ing-Costum

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:03 pm

On Scran site www.scran.ac.uk
"Merino Spinning Mill, No 335 St Vincent Street, Glasgow
This mill was built in about 1835 for C S Cochran & Co, worsted and woollen spinners, to process merino wool imported from Australia through Glasgow harbour. It was subsequently used for a variety of purposes."
- so looks like he was still around in 1835

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:11 pm

Searching the Scotsman site with no credits does not appear to find any death notices for him (nor did the British Newspapers archive) but it reveals an article in 1837 in which it is suggests his name is mentioned but it does not look like a death entry... Wonder if 1837 is the year?

Not seeing a relevant death on SP OPRs - but I very much doubt they were CoS in any case.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:28 pm

Odd, there is no sign of our Charles here, as a son of Alexander, but this site is not a reliable authority in any case, but the reference used for the data seems to have come from Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition :

http://www.thepeerage.com/p18570.htm#i185691

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:44 pm

http://www.archive.org/stream/monthlyma ... d_djvu.txt

PATENTS FOR MECHANICAL AND CHEMICAL INVENTIONS, Nov 1830
To Charles Sturat Cochrane Esq. of Great George Street, Westminster for certain improvements in the preparing and spinning of cashmere wool

- so may have died in England?

grannysrock · Post by **grannysrock** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:52 pm

Trying Charles Stewart Cochrane in Google Book Search gets a few hits in the Nautical Magazine of 1835 :
At Glasgow, Commander Charles Stewart Cochrane, younger son of the late Admiral Sir Alexander Cochrane and brother of Sir T. Cochrane .

(Edited)
Also in Gentlemans's Magazine ( Via google book search) from 1835
http://books.google.com/books?id=azrzWA ... zASokfDZDg

Oct 26 At 'Glasgow, Commander Charles Stuart Cochrane, RN (1822) son of the late Adm.
Sir Alex. Cochrane

edited again !
I think I have found a couple of references to this death on the http://newspapers.bl.uk/ site - but it looks like he died in 1834 , so the magazines were a bit behnd the times ( how times have changed ....)

Sally

cindyc · Post by **cindyc** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:53 pm

Thank you so much! I have found most, but not all of the resources you're showing, but haven't been able to get an exact date or location of death. The specific ancestor I am trying to locate is actually David Cochrane. Our family story passed down through the generations was that he was born in Kirkcaldy on March 23, 1833/1834. His father owned a dyeworks but died. His family were strict Presbyterians and wanted him to go to the university, but he didn't want to. He had an uncle who had a ship and offered to take him on, but he didn't want that, either. So, when he as around 18, he left Scotland to come to U.S. and never wrote to his family again. We think his mother's name was Sarah Mcdonald, but I can find no records of either of them, even when I traveled to Kirkcaldy. On reading Charles Stuart's biography in "The Fighting Cochranes" all the pieces fit to make him a possible match, but after his venture with the cashmere/merino spinning jenny in 1830-1831, he seems to drop out of sight. The banking letters site says he died in 1834, and the LDS has him listed as death in 1835, but no other info. I am trying to find a possible marriage and child before he died. He was centered in Glasgow, but Kirkcaldy was a big wool spinning area of that time. My theory is that he may have come to Kirkcaldy to set up a mill, married there and had a child before he died. But I must first find his records before I can link him to my David. I don't know if this helps to fill in any blanks.

cindyc · Post by **cindyc** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:16 pm

Nice job Sally! I haven't been able to find this anywhere but you found it in one search! So now I have a death date of Oct. 26, 1835 in Glasgow. Thanks so much!