Jane Irving nee Hamilton (b Arran - d'd Kirkwelpington)

[olicanalady]

Hi, I have begun to trace my great grandmother who I believe lived on Isle of Arran before moving to Edinburgh where she married. she lived on Freer st. My grandfathers birth cert logs Freer St as area of birth. Jane Hamilton had a brother James and my dec'd mum told me that he emigrated to Canada (never to be heard of again) and she came over to Edinburgh. Mum said they were part of the Highland Clearnaces, but I'm not sure as Jane wasnt born until 1860/61 (I think!) I am wanting to get a copy of her birth cert if anyone can help how I find out her date of birth? I think she is buried in Kirkwelpington so hopefully St Bartholomews may know her date of birth (if you work it back from the death cert.) I am a bit stuck with this, but I will in the future go to Arran and kirkwelpington but want to do as much research before I go so that it is more frutiful if pos. Mum was always very sad about jane, as she took ill during the war, Mum was away nursing during the war and couldnt help look after her and she was put in a workhouse in Morpeth. I only found out all this towards the end of Mums life. Mums mother, my grandma ws invalid also apparently. I cant imagine an old lady in a workhouse and would like to think it didnt happen, but Mum said she was indeed in one at Morpeth.

Janes son James Joseph Irving lived in Kirkwelpington all his life I think, and I do beleive he had some connection with the church at some stage. I am hoping to research his WW1 history also at some stage, he was in Tyneside Scottish, but that must come later!

Any help/ideas would be so welcome,as I am going aroound in circles presently?

Thanks
Sheila
sheilahamilton_AT_blueyonder.co.uk

<email address edited to prevent spamming, LesleyB.
Sheila - I also removed your phone number for your own security>

[LesleyB]

Hi Sheila
..and welcome to Talking Scot

Have you tried a search on the Scotlands People site? The Statutory Registers for all births, marriages and deaths since 1855 can be searched there, and you can download copies of the original entries. It is a pay-per-view site, but pretty good value, and just searching does not cost anything, you only pay when you wish to see the results. It is the only source of the original entries online.

www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

Best wishes
Lesley

[JustJean]

The easiest place for you to begin will be viewing the Scottish marriage certificate of Jane. This document provides information on both Jane and her husbands parents at that time....their occupation and whether they were still living. You can easily search www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for this data. Based on the info you've provided there is just one record that perhaps is the right couple....

1883 IRVING JAMES HAMILTON JANE ST GEORGE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/01 0099

Armed with the names of Jane's parents (and the fact they were both supposedly still alive in 1883) you will be able to trace the family on various census records. If this is indeed your Jane then I'm finding this family as likely to be correct (based on parent names, father occupation, and the fact of a 6 week old Jane in the household)

Name: William Hamilton
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 829
Registration district: Hoddam
Civil parish: Hoddam
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: High St
Occupation: Tinsmith
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 62
Line: 12
Roll: CSSCT1861_144
Household Members: Name Age
William Hamilton 41
Elizabeth Hamilton 26
Jane Hamilton 6 weeks
Nancy Hamilton 1
Elizabeth Hiddleston 36

I guess there should be some verification from you at this point as we can see here that all roads so far are leading toward England and not Arran !!

Best wishes
Jean

[LesleyB]

Hi Sheila
Do you know who she married (Mr Irving's first name?) and a rough date?
Do you know what year she died?

Using the search at Scotlands People and putting in the information you have given us so far:

• Male Surname: Irving
  Female Surname: Hamilton
  Female Foename: Jane

- there is only one marriage. If you narrow it down to Midlothian it is still there. If you play around with the years, narrowing them down, you will find that the year was 1883 - the very same record as Jean has indicated above.

I can't take it further without credits, and there is no guarantee that it is your Jane, but the date seems reasonable and the names and area fit with what you said.
Once you have her parents' names from her marriage, the birth will be much easier to find.

Best wishes
Lesley

[olicanalady]

Jean, this info is spot on I think. I have indeed found them on a census and it does look like Mum may have got the Arran connection wrong? I beleive I have gone back to 1820 but not sure yet. I have found another census or doc where Jane is only 6 weeks old and she was not on Arran.

I will keep on, and if I may I will ask advice of others much more experienced at this heritage research.

Thanks
Sheila

The easiest place for you to begin will be viewing the Scottish marriage certificate of Jane. This document provides information on both Jane and her husbands parents at that time....their occupation and whether they were still living. You can easily search www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for this data. Based on the info you've provided there is just one record that perhaps is the right couple....

1883 IRVING JAMES HAMILTON JANE ST GEORGE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/01 0099

Armed with the names of Jane's parents (and the fact they were both supposedly still alive in 1883) you will be able to trace the family on various census records. If this is indeed your Jane then I'm finding this family as likely to be correct (based on parent names, father occupation, and the fact of a 6 week old Jane in the household)

Name: William Hamilton
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 829
Registration district: Hoddam
Civil parish: Hoddam
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: High St
Occupation: Tinsmith
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 62
Line: 12
Roll: CSSCT1861_144
Household Members: Name Age
William Hamilton 41
Elizabeth Hamilton 26
Jane Hamilton 6 weeks
Nancy Hamilton 1
Elizabeth Hiddleston 36

I guess there should be some verification from you at this point as we can see here that all roads so far are leading toward England and not Arran !! :?

Best wishes
Jean

[olicanalady]

Hi, I have found the correct info through the dates 1883 as suggested, it looks like Jane married James Irving - Edinburgh. His mother was called Mary Irving. Her father was called William and her mother was called Elizabeth Hamilton m.s Jamieson.

I have now joined up to Ancestry.co.uk - for a trial initially!

Many thanks for all your help

Sheila

Hi Sheila
Do you know who she married (Mr Irving's first name?) and a rough date?
Do you know what year she died?

Using the search at Scotlands People and putting in the information you have given us so far:

• Male Surname: Irving
  Female Surname: Hamilton
  Female Foename: Jane

- there is only one marriage. If you narrow it down to Midlothian it is still there. If you play around with the years, narrowing them down, you will find that the year was 1883 - the very same record as Jean has indicated above.

I can't take it further without credits, and there is no guarantee that it is your Jane, but the date seems reasonable and the names and area fit with what you said.
Once you have her parents' names from her marriage, the birth will be much easier to find.

Best wishes
Lesley

[LesleyB]

Hi Sheila
That is great you have made some progress and found some new information. Very often finding one thing often leads to several others!

Best wishes
Lesley