George Milne SMITH

[ronpsmith]

I am looking for any information on my great grandfather George Milne Smith, son of Robert Smith and Euphemia Milne who was born in Aberdeen in 1859. George was a Marine Engineer for at least part of his life and I presume he started his career in Aberdeen, though he later moved to Liverpool,England.

[nelmit]

I am looking for any information on my great grandfather George Milne Smith, son of Robert Smith and Euphemia Milne who was born in Aberdeen in 1859. George was a Marine Engineer for at least part of his life and I presume he started his career in Aberdeen, though he later moved to Liverpool,England.

I don't know what you already have but you can view George's birth entry at Scotlands People. This should show his parents marriage date.

You can also view digitised original census records.

Here they are in 1871 from ancestry living at St Nicholas, Aberdeen-

Robt Smith 51
Euphemia Smith 46
Jane Smith 24
Mary Smith 77
George Smith 12
John Smith 3

He isn't with the family after that but there is a likely George Smith living at Dundee in 1891.

[AndrewP]

Hi Ron,

A parent search on the online IGI tells us that the family were in that area for a number of years.

• ISOBEL SMITH - Christening: 24 JUN 1844 Banchory Devenick, Kincardine, Scotland
  JANE SMITH - Christening: 19 MAY 1846 Banchory Devenick, Kincardine, Scotland
  MARY SMITH - Christening: 22 AUG 1853 Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland
  ALEXANDER SMITH - Birth: 03 OCT 1856 Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland
  GEORGE MILNE SMITH - Birth: 25 JAN 1859 Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland
  ELSPET MILNE SMITH - Birth: 15 MAR 1861 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland
  ROBERT SMITH - Birth: 08 FEB 1863 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland

The 1856 and 1859 birth certificates are unlikely to give the parents' marriage details, but the 1861 and 1863 ones should give the marriage date and place. These details were not normally given on birth certificates from 1856 to 1860.

The 1861 birth is very close to the census date of that year, so you should find them in Aberdeen in the 1861 census. In the 1851 census, it looks like they were probably in Banchory Devenick or Aberdeen, but of course could be elsewhere.

The 1861 census gives you another child born to this family between Jane and Mary.

All the best,

AndrewP

[nelmit]

My earlier post assumed (tut tut) that the George you are seeing in Liverpool is a customs officer married to Jane.

Found the custom's officer in 1891 living at Amble, Northumberland.

The only thing is this George gives a middle name of Main.

There is this birth -

GEORGE MAIN SMITH

05 JUL 1858 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland

Parents:
Father: ALEXANDER SMITH Family
Mother: ISABELLA MAIN

So is it the custom's officer you are trying to trace?

Regards,
Annette

[Currie]

Hello Ron,

I’ve been reading your information here http://liverpolitan.im/smith/gms.htm Is George still missing?

There’s a marriage notice in the Liverpool Mercury, Saturday, January 24, 1885.
SMITH—YOXALL—Jan. 20, at St. Michael’s-in-the-Hamlet, by the Rev. Canon Eyre, George M. Smith, engineer S.S. Paraense, to Mary Elizabeth, eldest daughter of Thomas Yoxall, of this city.

Glasgow Herald, Monday, January 5, 1885
LIVERPOOL, Jan, 3.—Red Cross Line steamer Paraense, from Para, via Havre, arrived in the Mersey today.

The Times, Monday, Jan 26, 1885
LIVERPOOL, Jan, 24.—the Red Cross Line steamer Paraense, for Pernambuco, via Cardiff, left the Mersey yesterday.

More about the Red Cross Line, ports of call, etc here http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines ... ssline.htm

“Marine Engineer and Naval Architect” 1890‎ - Page 431.
A proof of the importance of taking engines of an obsolete type out of steamers and replacing them with modern triple-expansion engines is furnished in the experience of the SS Paraense of the Red Cross Line lading from Liverpool to the Brazils. She was re-engined by Messrs. Westray, Copeland, and Co., of Barrow, and not only succeeded in cutting the record between Coral and Liverpool, but the new arrangements in the engine-room and the economies obtained showed the following results: the Paraense now carries 50 tons more cargo than before her alterations, steams two knots faster and burns four tons of coal a day less, taking into account the extra speed. http://www.google.com.au/books?id=4gwAA ... araense%22

In Parliamentary Papers an 1891 Merchant Shipping listing shows:
Vessel’s name – Paraense. Official No. – 65861. Port – Liverpool. Tons – 986. Horsepower – 160. Owners – R. Singlehurst. Description of voyage – Brazil and River Plate. Masters & Mates – 4. Boatswains – 1. Quartermasters – 0. Carpenters – 1. Able seamen – 10. Ordinary seamen – 0. Apprentices – 0. Boys – 0. Engineers – 3. Firemen and Trimmers – 11.

Looks like an 1881 census list for the ship (Folios 79 & 80) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... 82318.html

Hope there’s something useful there,
Alan

[nelmit]

Great stuff Alan.

Answers my question.

Regards,
Annette

[ronpsmith]

Thanks for all the help with this. I am still absorbing all the information.

Re Annette's reply, my George M Smith was not a customs officer, as far as I know.

In answer to Alan, yes the information is still more or less as on my web site and I don't know what happened to George M after about 1885. His wife is alone in 1891 at Liverpool, though not widowed and I presumed George M was at sea.

I'll have a look at all this and then get back.

regards
Ron