Thomas Tough b1792

[Morag]

Hi

I am looking for some help to make a connection with these people.

I know that Thomas Tough/Touch married Janet Cram in St Ninians in 1815 and had 9 children.
I have the family minus Janet in 1841 living in Larbert with son Alexander 2 months old - so am assuming that Janet died in childbirth. Father Thomas was said to have been born abt 1796.
In 1851 a family are living 'in the vicinity of Camelon' ( according to Ancestry ) Thomas born 1793, son Alexander 11 , new wife Agnes and other younger children
IGI has a marriage between Thomas Tough & Agnes Malcolm in Larbert in 1845 .
This Thomas died in 1864 in St Ninians, with Agnes giving his age as 75, making him born 1789 - but she didn't know his mother's name - only her maiden name.

The Thomas that I know is mine was deceased in 1866 when his son died , but was alive in 1855, with Janet deceased when another son married.
A 3rd son ,however, has both parents being alive in 1857 on his marriage .

Basically - can I claim Thomas , husband of Agnes Malcolm ? If so I now have his parents who are William Touch & Margaret Dobbie - who had a son called Thomas in 1792.
Thomas & Janet didnt have a son called William , but did have a 2 year gap between geting married and the first child - which is very unusual for my lot - usually they were lucky to have a gap at all !

Sorry to have rambled , but I was trying to sort this out and would be glad of any thoughts

Morag

[WilmaM]

On the face of it , that does seem very like the correct families that you are following.

Have you looked for Thomas senr in the 1861 census?
Freecen have him in both the 1841 & 1851 as you describe, with Thomas jnr living with big Brother John in Camelon in 1851.

What does the 'baby' Alexander have on any marriage or death cert?

[Liz Turner]

Hi Morag

Hope I've picked up your notes correctly ...

The record of the marriage of Thomas Tough and Agnes Malcolm on IGI is an extract, so it should exist in Scotland's People. I did a quick search on SP and came up with two matches, one of which is in 1845. You'd have to look at that to see if there was any other information which might support your hopes!

You also say a third son married in 1857 and both parents were alive. Again, you'd have to look at the record to see what it actually says - if you haven't already done that.

Things would probably be clearer for you if you have actually seen the records and are not just relying on information on the IGI. When I'm "confirming" information on my own family tree, I try to make sure that data is confirmed from two sources and even better if you've got a copy or download of an actual certificate. I learned this the hard way when I spent a week making great progress on one area of my family, only to find the person was no relation at all!

Good luck with this - maybe someone else will have more suggestions.

Liz

Maybe someone

[Morag]

Thanks for the responses.

Wilma
1861 census has Agnes and the children in one house and Thomas living in another house as a servant - both in St Ninians. This had me confused until I found a child who died at 11 hours old in 1861 - the death was registerd by a Robert McArthur brother-in law - so that is a possible lead that needs checking.Prior to that I assumed that Thomas had died before 1861 census , but couldn't find a death.
Baby Alexander married in 1874 , died in 1904 - parents were Thomas Tough & Janet Cram - both deceased on both occasions.I can't find another Alexander Tough that fits the ages etc.
Big brother John is my direct link.

Liz
I have seen the certificates post 1855 , and also checked the OPR for the marriage but it doesn't give anything other than the couple's names.
Thanks for your help - I think he possibly is mine , but will only pencil him in for now.

Morag

[Anne H]

Hi Morag,

It's late and I need to get to my bed but noticed the name ThomasTough. I can't answer your questions but if you take a look at post #9 I made on Rootschat about a year ago... http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.ph ... 754.0.html you'll find mention of some members of the Tough family you may or may not be interested in.

Regards,
Anne H

[Morag]

Hi Anne

Thank you for your reply.
Margaret Tough who married John Hogg is the daughter of Thoams Tough & Janet Cram. I already had a fair amount on them and have also been sent some photos by the other Anne.

Until yesterday , I had father Thomas dying between 1841 & 1851 , and then on re-visiting the family after a long break found that he possibly didn't die then !

One confusing factor is that most of the chidren from the 1st marriage seemed to do quite well in life , but Thomas died a pauper in 1864 which seems very sad. The children from the second marriage seemed not to do so well - couldn't write , didn't know any details of their mother's background - so possibly there was a family rift as Thomas did marry a much younger woman 2nd time around ?

Thanks for everyone's input - I will keep looking to find a definate connection

Morag