GILLICK FAMILY

[mgillick]

Greetings!
I would appreciate knowing the place and date of birth of Elizabeth EDGAR. She was b c1881, pos in or nr Bargeddie or Coatbridge, Lanarkshire. Her parents were pos Joseph EDGAR and Sarah SAVAGE. Elizabeth m pos c1910 William Shaw GILLICK, b Langloan or Coatbridge 1880. Any GILLICK (or EDGAR) family info would be appreciated. I am new to this site, so not sure of procedure, but this is a start.
M Gillick

[LesleyB]

Hi mgillick

And welcome to Talking Scot

Have you had a look on Scotlands People for the birth or the marriage? If these events happened in Scotland then you should be able to find and download them there and the documents will give you further information. There is a link to Scotlands People at the top of this page - it is a pay-per-view site but it is the only place where you can access digital copies of the original BMD records for Scotland. The marriage you mention would seem to be there in 1910 so all you need to do is download it and the entry should confirm Elizabeth's age at the time (or the age she said she was...not always the same thing!)and the names of both her parents.

You can also access original images from the Scottish census years there too.

If you've any problems finding the events, get back to us and we will try to help.

Best wishes
Lesley

[speleobat2]

This looks like the family in 1901 in Old Monkland Western District:

1901 Scotland Census 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Joseph Edgar
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Sarah F
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 652/1
Registration district: Old Monkland Western District
Civil parish: Old Monkland Western District
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Baird's Sq
Occupation: Carter
ED: 10
Household schedule number: 173
Line: 24
Roll: CSSCT1901_345
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Edgar 54
Sarah F Edgar 49
Agnes Edgar 22
Lizzie Edgar 19
William Edgar 17
Sarah Edgar 14
Joseph Edgar 12
David Edgar 8


As Lesley advised, the only way to get an accurate birthdate is from the certificates available on ScotlandsPeople. Also, this was taken from Ancestry so you have to allow for variations in spelling!

Good hunting,

Carol

[SarahND]

Hi mgillick and welcome
What Carol didn't show you in that census is that Lizzie was born in Old Monkland, Lanark. On Scotland's People there is a birth for an Eliza Edgar in Old Monkland in 1881. Lizzie and her younger siblings all seem to be born, as advertised, in Old Monkland. However, I don't see the eldest, Agnes, age 22 in 1901. John and Sarah were born in Ireland, so perhaps she was born there also, on a visit back home? There is also an older brother Thomas in earlier censuses, also born in Old Monkland, so they must have come over before his birth in 1873.

Anyway, what I meant to say is that if you do a birth search for anyone with surname Edgar in Old Monkland, from 1873-1892, there are exactly 25 hits and amongst them you will find Lizzie and all her siblings (except possibly Agnes), so you don't have to spend an extra credit each time. As long as there are 25 or fewer matches, it will all be on one page and only cost you one credit.

However, since presumably it is the Elizabeth Edgar who married William Gillick that you want, you should first download the marriage, as Lesley and Carol suggested, to make sure you have the correct parents. If the parents are different, then a look at the place of birth in the censuses will help you find the birth record.

In 1881 there is a "Boarder" named Thomas Edgar, born abt 1844 in Ireland. Perhaps Joseph's brother?

All the best,
Sarah

[Currie]

Hello MGillick,

If this is the right family you’ll be able to add a “Dog Bites Boy” story to your collection.

Glasgow Herald, Wednesday, July 19, 1893.
AIRDRIE.—DAMAGES FOR THE BITE OF A DOG.—Yesterday, in the Sheriff Court at Airdrie, a boy named William Edgar, son of Joseph Edgar, labourer, Cuilhill, sued John Andrews, miner, Heatheryknowe, for £12, as compensation for loss, injury, and damage sustained by pursuer having been bitten by a large collie dog belonging to the defender. Andrews had already been fined in the Police Court for keeping a vicious dog, and when the case was called last Court day he signified his willingness to let a decree go against him. Yesterday he made no appearance, and decree was granted for the sum sued for, with expenses.

The only mention I can find in the Scottish 19th Century newspapers of a Gillick living in Scotland is a brief mention in a lengthy Glasgow Herald article on December 19, 1883, of a James Gillick, described as “a boy about fifteen years of age, residing with his mother in Garngad Road, Glasgow.” He had been employed at the works of Myles M’Culloch, and was a witness at the trial of a number of men accused of having used dynamite to blow up a gasometer at Tradeston. Here’s a report of the explosion in a New Zealand newspaper. http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bi ... 1----0-all

Hope that’s interesting,
Alan

[mgillick]

Thank you everybody for such thoughtful and helpful responses. Your answers should keep me busy for awhile.
Much appreciated.
M Gillick

[mgillick]

Hello. One of you sent me an article about a dog biting a GILLICK boy in Airdrie. I haven't yet checked a map to see where Airdrie is, but I have just discovered that ancestor William Shaw GILLICK of Coatbridge, Lanarkshire, came over to Canada in 1926, and he named John GILLICK of Cartness, Airdrie, as his contact cousin. Can anyone help me to find out the names of the parents of John GILLICK?
Thanks.
M Gillick

[SarahND]

Hi M Gillick,
I thought the article Alan found was to do with a William Edgar, not a Gillick... But be that as it may, we can still try to f igure out who your John Gillick, cousin was. Do you know the parents of William Shaw Gillick?

Guessing from the censuses, it looks like his parents were Lawrence and Jane. In the 1891 census Lawrence is 37, born in Coatbridge. The only other male Gillick born in Coatbridge at a plausible time to be Lawrence's brother is a Hugh Gillick born abt 1847, also married to a Jane. In 1891 he doesn't have a son named John, but by 1901 he does. This John was born about 1893 in Lesmahagow, Lanark.

I'm having trouble finding this family in earlier censuses, to confirm that Hugh and Lawrence were brothers. Death certificates would give you the same information, if you can find them. Do you have Lawrence's death cert, presumably in Canada? I saw that he was the destination contact for William when he went over.

All the best,
Sarah

[AndrewP]

Hi M Gillick,

There were 6 John Gillicks born in Scotland between 1855 and 1926. They were all within a 15 mile radius of Coatbridge.

• No Year Surname Forename Sex District City/County/MR GROS Data
  1 1872 GILLICK JOHN M OLD MONKLAND (MIDDLE DISTRICT) /LANARK 652/02 0447
  2 1892 GILLICK JOHN M LESMAHAGOW /LANARK 649/00 0117
  3 1903 GILLICK JOHN M COATBRIDGE OR OLD MONKLAND /LANARK 652/02 1419
  4 1914 GILLICK JOHN COCHRANE M SHOTTS (NORTHERN DISTRICT) /LANARK 655/04 0032
  5 1916 GILLICK JOHN J O CONWAY M HAMILTON /LANARK 647/00 0151
  6 1904 GILLICK JOHN SHARP M DENNISTOUN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/03 2536

These can be found on the ScotlandsPeople website. The birth certificates can be seen on a pay per view basis there, apart from the 1914 and 1916 ones which are less than 100 years ago, so cannot yet be viewed online. If John had to be an adult to be named on the document (assumption being made), then maybe these two can be put to the end of the list for looking into.

Old Monkland was the parish containing Coatbridge (New Monkland was next to it, containing Airdrie), so the two Old Monkland ones in the list may be a good starting point for you.

All the best,

AndrewP

[alphazip]

Hi, MGILLICK! Elizabeth Edgar was born in 1881 in Bargeddie, married William Shaw Gillick there in 1910, had 4 children in the Coatbridge area, and died in 1948 in St. Thomas, Ontario. There were two Gillick families of miners in Lanarkshire in the mid 1800s. One descends from an Owen Gillick who emigrated from Ireland to Scotland and mined in the Hamilton area, and the other (ours) from a James Gillick who did the same and mined in Coatbridge. Whether these two Gillick lines are related back in Ireland is unknown, but the descendants of both families are found in Scottish records. For more information, feel free to send me a private message with your e-mail address.