James Philp again - mixed news

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jennyblain
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James Philp again - mixed news

Post by jennyblain » Sat Jul 17, 2010 6:27 pm

This is a progress update. A good while back I posted about James Philp, who married Mary Bell in Leith in 1799. He was described variously as carpenter and shipwright. I'd found a possible birth, got lots on that family while trying to find a link, traced them through Leith tailor archives and such... had great fun and unearthed a really interesting set of lines...

Well - you can probably guess what's coming. Through finding a census entry in London for 1851, and through some subsequent detective work by a cousin there and myself - we have ruled out that birth. James Philp b. 1779, son of John Philp, tailor in Leith, became a master cutler, married in London and ended his days there, survived by one daughter. My cousin found her will and it makes the connections very clear, linking her strongly to the Edinburgh jewellers' line I'd found. Such a pity - but still really interesting, a fascinating mix of Victorian family connections and middle-class good causes...! :) :(

So - back to square one, or nearly. The next step is tracing another possible candidate - James Philp born in Dairsie, Fife, in 1775, son of Robert, wright there, and Janet Kermoch/Kermack who's probably from Angus. We've bits of clues but need to get him to Leith! What we really need are the apprenticeship records. Can I find them? No. Just got what Fife indentures the Fife FHS has, but not a sign of him there...
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Jenny
(Been very quiet - work has got in the way of everything - but I'm still working on an academic paper on how/why people do this, and what it means to us.)
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Re: James Philp again - mixed news

Post by Anne H » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:05 am

I hope you were able to demolish that brick wall since you last posted. :)

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Re: James Philp again - mixed news

Post by jennyblain » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:53 am

Thanks Anne. The Dairsie birth seems quite possible, given the year, and parents' names, and the various moves of other Philps who were possibly cousins to Leith around the same time. I've managed to find a bit on the the father and grandparents (etc.) of the Dairsie-born James Philp, and various likely cousins (including some definitely went to Leith). So am now, once again, attempting to either demonstrate or disprove a connection.

And then there's his father-in-law, Alexander Bell living in Dalmeny, deacon of wrights in Queensferry. Lots of things for his wife (mother of Mary Bell, James's wife) but only dilemmas for Alexander himself.

It never stops, of course :) And the dilemmas and puzzles make it soo interesting!

Jenny
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Re: James Philp again - mixed news

Post by Anne H » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:59 pm

Well there's one thing for sure, Jenny...our ancestors are certainly keeping us busy. :)

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