NOLAN FAMILY.....

scouse-proud · Post by **scouse-proud** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:30 pm

Hi everyone, i am new today so bear with me if i get everything wrong! i am trying to find the NOLAN family from LANARKSHIRE GLASGOW, all i had to go on was childhood memories of letters my mum recieved from her fathers family(she was adopted by her father and his wife) he was having an affair with a 16yr old from Liverpool, and moved his wife to liverpool to keep the baby, he(MICHAEL)died in liverpool in 1940 aged 69yrs his wife (catherine) died in 1951 aged 79yrs, i have been following a lead on scotlandspeople for months and have birth/marriage/census info but i am never completely sure i am following the right family, are there any sites that give info on shipworkers? Michael(my granddad) was a boilermaker on the docks, any hints and advise on how to search properly would be welcomed i also need a site of old maps of scotland(glasgow) to help me put people in the right place and save me some money, as i am clicking on images randomly because i don't know how far apart they are thanking you in advance.....MOE

Post by **AndrewP** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:47 pm

Hi scouse-proud,

Welcome to TalkingScot.

There are good old street maps to be found on the National Library for Scotland's Digital Library website.

http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/to ... plans.html

Unfortunately, these maps are not indexed, so you need to have a good idea which part of town you are looking for. The only indexed streetmaps I know of are current maps, such as www.streetmap.co.uk - then hopefully you can go back to the old maps with a better idea of the area you need (of course this depends on the street still being there).

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

scouse-proud · Post by **scouse-proud** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:53 pm

thanks Andrew, i will take a look.The main areas i need are in Glasgow MARYHILL CALTON BLACKFRIERS CAMLACHIE, i just need to know how far apart they are, expecially from the docks...MOE!

stephlangan · Post by **stephlangan** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:18 pm

I've had a lot of luck with the Ward maps found on http://www.theglasgowstory.co.uk - my whole family was living withen two blocks of each other at the turn of the century now we are spread to all four corners of the world.

Steph

StewL · Post by **StewL** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:35 am

Hello Scouse-Proud

You mentioned that some of your long losts were shipyard workers, and mentioned a "boilermaker" as a trade.

Just be aware that the "workers" may be listed under different trades.
I have some long losts who are listed as a metalworker, metal polisher, machinist, boilermaker, and some other jobs related to shipyards. At different times in their lives.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:09 am

Hi Scouse-proud,

The places you mention aren't really all that close to the large shipyards which were on both banks the River Clyde.

Could your GF Michael have been a steam locomotive boilermaker?
There were a few railway engine works in the north of Glasgow. Eg St. Rollox, Springburn.

Jack

scouse-proud · Post by **scouse-proud** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:16 pm

thanks to you all for replying i will check those websites out, JACK the reason i know he worked on the shipyards is because the story goes that he was working on a ship that was started in scotland and was brought down to liverpool/birkenhead to be finished this is how my G/father came to liverpool and met a young girl who he got pregnant, then sent for his wife and they ended up adopting the baby(my mother)I remember my mother telling me one day when we were playing the kids game the ALLIO?about the great ship going down on the last day of September,(i think)that this was the ship he worked on and was supposed to sail on it but didn't. i don't really believe this story as i cannot find anything that sank around the dates, my mother was born in 1922 so its around this time give or take a year....MOE

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:53 pm

Hi Scouse-proud (or is it Moe?),

Thanks for letting me know.

It was just that many shipyard workers lived near to where they worked, and i just mentioned locomotives in case that,
although you knew GF Michael was a boilermaker, it wasn't known which type of boilers he made.

There would've been no use looking at shipyards if he was up the road in a railway engine works!

Jack

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:19 pm

scouse-proud wrote:thanks to you all for replying i will check those websites out, JACK the reason i know he worked on the shipyards is because the story goes that he was working on a ship that was started in scotland and was brought down to liverpool/birkenhead to be finished this is how my G/father came to liverpool and met a young girl who he got pregnant, then sent for his wife and they ended up adopting the baby(my mother)I remember my mother telling me one day when we were playing the kids game the ALLIO?about the great ship going down on the last day of September,(i think)that this was the ship he worked on and was supposed to sail on it but didn't. i don't really believe this story as i cannot find anything that sank around the dates, my mother was born in 1922 so its around this time give or take a year....MOE

Hello Moe,

I had been thinking along the same lines as Jack about where they lived. My ancestors who lived in Calton or Maryhill worked in a sawmill or an iron foundry. What was Catherine's maiden name?

Here's the song copied from a BBC radio site.
I remember playing a ball game to this when I was wee with a slight variation on the words..

The big ship sails on the alley alley oh
The big ship sails on the alley alley oh
The alley alley oh, the alley alley oh
The big ship sails on the alley alley oh
On the last day of September.
The captain said it will never never do
Never never do, never never do.
The captain said it will never never do
On the last day of September.
The big ship sank to the bottom of the sea
The bottom of the sea, the bottom of the sea.
The big ship sank to the bottom of the sea
On the last day of September.

Regards,
Annette M

scouse-proud · Post by **scouse-proud** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:39 pm

Annette, thats the one, i was trailing this ship for a while as we all know most songs from our childhood come from real life events,i cannot find any referance to it.At first i thought it was the LUSITANIA/MAURITANIA but i have ruled them out.you asked my step-grandmothers maiden name, well the only michael and catherine i have found that fits are;MICHAEL NOLAN aged 23yrs and CATHERINE GILLON aged 20yrs married 27th april 1891, Michaels father jAMES mother ELLEN SCANLON
Catherines father MICHAEL mother SARAH, i am not sure if these are the right michael and catherine, i hope so as i have spent a fortune tracing them all on Census, but until i can find this michael and catherine died in Scotland then i cannot rule them out, mine died in Liverpool,thanks for the feedback and good luck in all your searches .....MOE