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garydevine1995 · Post by **garydevine1995** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:00 pm

i am looking for my great great great grandfather walter allions birth, i have recently found 2 matches but i dont no what one to choice because there is onl eight years between them and they live quite close:

WALTER ALLISON 1798 ERSKINE RENFREWSHIRE
WALTER ALLISON 1806 WEST OR OLD PARISH GREENOCK RENFREWSHIRE

both parten have the same names james allison and a janet but the janets are different 1798 being janet anderson and 1806 being janet larid. i have looked at walters children but there are no children called james or janet. the other info i have on him is that he was married to isabella gilmour and i think she was born in 1808 and they were married in 1827 in barony glasgow which is where she was born then they moved to a place called lochwainen i think thats it and they had all there children there but i dotn have his death cert and his wife died in 1879 in huchesontown.

What one is he i am totally stuck.

Post by **SarahND** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:54 pm

Hi Gary,
What else do you know about this man? Do you have him in any census records that would give you a more precise idea of his birth date and place? If he died after 1855 then his death certificate is the best way to find out who his parents were, since his marriage record would be too early to have that detail.

There is a couple matching your description on FreeCen in 1851, which you can search for free here: http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl Is this the right family? If so, he is still there in 1861, so you should be able to find his death record.

Regards,
Sarah

garydevine1995 · Post by **garydevine1995** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:42 pm

thanks sarah i did find the 1851 and the occupaints are:

ALLISON Walter Head M M 42 Farm Servant Renfrewshire - Erskine
ALLISON Isabella Wife M F 41 Lanarkshire - Old Monkland
ALLISON James Son - M 11 Scholar Lanarkshire - Barony Glasgow
ALLISON John Son - M 9 Scholar Lanarkshire - Rutherglen
ALLISON Edon Son - M 7 Scholar Lanarkshire - Rutherglen
ALLISON Isabella Dau - F 1 Lanarkshire - Cathcart

i only found this one but i am not to sure on Edon Isabella and James i never found them on Familysearch.com i have only a John

this is what is on Familysearch.com:

JOHN ALLISON 1828 LOCHWINNOCH
ROBERT ALLISON 1830 LOCHWINNOCH
WILLIAM ALLISON 1835 LOCHWINOCH
MATHEW ALLISON 1837 LOCHWINNOCH

and thats it i couldnt find a walter allison on freeCEN for 1861 or 1871
by the time isabella had died which was 1879 i think he was dead and william died in 1876 and on his death cert too it said he was dead.

Post by **SarahND** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:54 pm

Hi Gary,
If you are sure that the ones on FamilySearch are yours, then they are not the ones in the census above, since those children were not born in Lochwinnoch. The Lochwinnoch family is, as below, also from FreeCen. Looks like Walter was already dead by then, since Isabella is marked as a widow.

Piece: SCT1851/568 Place: Kilbarchan -Renfrewshire
Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: Kilbarchan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 448 Page: 21 Schedule: 82
Address: King's Land, Bridge Of Weir

ALISON Isabella Head W F 42 Silk Sewer Lanarkshire - West Holm
ALISON Jean Dau U F 18 Cotton Mill Worker Renfrewshire - Lochwinnoch
ALISON William Son U M 15 Cotton Mill Worker Renfrewshire - Lochwinnoch
ALISON Mathew Son - M 11 Cotton Mill Worker Renfrewshire - Lochwinnoch
ALISON Helen Dau - F 8 Scholar Renfrewshire - Lochwinnoch
ALISON Margt Dau - F 6 Renfrewshire - Lochwinnoch

garydevine1995 · Post by **garydevine1995** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:09 pm

SarahND wrote:The Lochwinnoch family is, as below, also from FreeCen. Looks like Walter was already dead by then, since Isabella is marked as a widow.

Piece: SCT1851/568 Place: Kilbarchan -Renfrewshire
Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: Kilbarchan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 448 Page: 21 Schedule: 82
Address: King's Land, Bridge Of Weir

ALISON Isabella Head W F 42 Silk Sewer Lanarkshire - West Holm
ALISON Jean Dau U F 18 Cotton Mill Worker Renfrewshire - Lochwinnoch
ALISON William Son U M 15 Cotton Mill Worker Renfrewshire - Lochwinnoch
ALISON Mathew Son - M 11 Cotton Mill Worker Renfrewshire - Lochwinnoch
ALISON Helen Dau - F 8 Scholar Renfrewshire - Lochwinnoch
ALISON Margt Dau - F 6 Renfrewshire - Lochwinnoch

i am guessing this is the 1851 census and yes i am sure as william is my ggg grandfather and on his death it says walter allison and isabella gilmour so i will need to find his death before 1851 but that means his parents might not be down.

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:38 pm

Hi Gary

There are two churches in Kilbarchan but I only have access to Lair Records for the East Church.
The only Allison buried there is Archibald who died around 1887 (there is no actual date given for his burial) He was from Howwood which is between Kilbarchan and Lochwinnoch. Bridge of Weir (at least parts of the village) were in Kilbarchan parish then.

So no joy there I'm afraid

Russell

garydevine1995 · Post by **garydevine1995** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:46 pm

i have found this on freeCEN:

Piece: SCT1841/651 Place: New Monkland -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: New Monkland Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Airdrie
Folio: 10 Page: 26
Address: Graham Street

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
CAMPBELL William M 27 Stone Mason Lanarkshire
CAMPBELL Marget F 23 Lanarkshire
CAMPBELL Helen F 1 Lanarkshire
ALISON Walter M 40 Agricultural Labourer Outside Census County (1841)
ALISON Isobella F 32 Lanarkshire
ALISON Jean F 9 Outside Census County (1841)
GILMOUR Andrew M 20 Coal Miner Lanarkshire

what does Outside Census County mean and there are no records for a walter allison between 1844-1851 and thanks russel does it say his parents names at all ?

Post by **SarahND** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:15 pm

Hi Gary,
That looks like them in 1841-- good find! In the 1841 census the questions asked about birthplace were: "If born in Scotland, state whether in county or otherwise" (whether they were born in the same county as they were living at the time of the census, or not)"Whether foreigner or whether born in England or Ireland" (E for England, I for Ireland and F for "Foreign parts"). That fits your family, since according to the 1851 census Isabella was born in Lanarkshire, but the others were born in Renfrew.
I wonder if Walter died in New Monkland? And where were the other children in 1841, have you found them?

Regards,
Sarah

Post by **SarahND** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:30 pm

According to the age in the 1841 census, Walter would have been born any time between 1797 and 1801. I find these three possibles on Family Search:

Walter Alison
Christening: 21 JAN 1798 West of Old Paris, Greenock, Renfrew
Father: James Alison
Mother: Janet Anderson

Walter Alison
Christening: 18 Feb 1798 Houston, Renfrew (submitted)
Father: John Allison
Mother: Janet Holm

Walter Allison
Birth: 21 NOV 1800 Kilbarchan, Renfrew (submitted)
Father: James Alison
Mother: Janet Alexander

The second two are submitted entries, so they need to be checked, but I do get three hits when I search for a birth from 1795 to 1800 on Scotland's People, so maybe they are all correct.

Do you know who the Campbells were who they were living with in 1841?

Regards,
Sarah

garydevine1995 · Post by **garydevine1995** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:03 pm

wow thats great and sorry i dont no who the campbells are and i cant find the rest of the children

if i go with greenock 1798 janet anderson i no they go married in easr lothian i think and then they went to beith,ayr then they went to houston. they had a son called archibald. i cant find the middle walter on famlysearch but he did have a son johnso he could benamed after walters dad the bottom one could be him too because it is nearer 1801 and its in kilbrachan which they wre in 1841 so im not sure but i woul go for the middle one but please give m your own opinion

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