Camlachie bottle works

[littlealison]

I've finally found my gggrandfathers bottle works ('Stevenson and Little') on a map, but it's of Glasgow in 1892-3. And there are two bottle works shown in Camlachie, the Crownpoint works and the Camlachie works. I think it is the second, but need more info.
It isn't there in 1857, they operated from about 1862 - 70, and the other partners after this.

1) Is there a map of 'Glasgow in 1865 online that I can look at properly?
I know one exists, because there is a picture of it in 'The Glasgow Story'. However, it doesn't seem to be enlargeable, so what the point of putting it in is, I don't know! Is it available anywhere?
2) When did the railway (shown in 1892) cut Broad Street in half? Anyone know please?

[WilmaM]

There is an 1865 map on old maps http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html
It's not the clearest to read but I can't see a bottle works noted on it.
If you know exactly where it was on the other map, then you may spot it faster.

I used a postcode of G40 2QW to get me to Broad Street, the site is slow so be patient.

I thibnk that bit of railway is the low-level line from lanarkshire, when it arrived I'm sure somebody will tell us shortly.
It doesn't really affect Broad street, it is much the same length before as after.

[littlealison]

Thanks, WilmaM - but I had real difficulty with this site. I'm afraid I don't understand what to enter!
I found an 1865 map but I don't think it goes far enough east.

I don't think the Broad street that is on the modern Glasgow map is the same street.
The one on the 1857 map ( http://maps.nls.uk/towns/index.html ; 1857 Glasgow, the second map) goes north from about the junction of the Gallowgate and the old Great Eastern Road....can't find it on the 1865 one.

Also I am wondering if it isn't a train line but tramlines.

[WilmaM]

Go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html

find a map
search enter G40 2QW Go

when the next screen loads pick the 1864-1865 option
then enhanced zoom.
You can then zoom in and pan around the map.

You didn't actually say where [street address] the Bottle Works you found was, so I'm just guessing Broad St area.

Broad St hasn't moved still runs from Orr St to Crownpoint Rd. There are tram lines on Crownpoint Street, leading to a Tramway depot.

Hope this makes it a little clearer for you.

[littlealison]

Done it! Thanks.
It seems the area is just beyond the right hand edge of the map....pity.
I found Broad Street, but it isn't the same - but if you follow the line of that road to where it would hit the Gallowgate, that's where the road I found is.
But I found the works by using this:
http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/archive/old-g ... _1767.html
There's a map in this thread of the East End of Glasgow 1893, and the road I found was north of the Gallowgate and at the junction with the Great Eastern Road. Two bottle works up this road.
It is a railway, I've followed it to a station.
Can I find any more, do you think?

I also followed up another clue from the old Glasgow directories, and found what looks like a bottleworks connected with this firm Stevenson and Little, on the Cathcart Road.
( http://maps.nls.uk/towns/index.html ,1857 map, square VI.14.15)
Apart from the vague address and a large round thing on the map by Cathcart road that could very well be an old style bottle cone, there is a name 'Duckneyfauld' there on the buildings, that I can't find anywhere! Any ideas?

[WilmaM]

Ok I did what I should have doen first - checked for name changes to the streets.

Broad steet Camlachie is now Biggar Street.

And the area in question is under the parkhead Forge Retail park. toys r us to be precise!

Using the postcode G31 4BH on Old Maps will get you there.
No sign of Bottle Works on the 1864/5 map though.

Area was also known as VinegarHill - many smelly inudstries found a spot there over the years it seems.
Both Bottle works appear on the 1895/6 version there too.

[Currie]

Hello Alison,

This Handbook to Manufacturers etc, published 1870, has Stevenson and Little, Camlachie Bottle Works. They are also at what looks like 128 Ingram Street.
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=Z_I ... 22&f=false

The Edinburgh Gazette, 26 September, 1922, has a notice re Robert Paul, carrying on business as Bottle Manufacturer at Camlachie Bottle Works, 74 Broad Street, Glasgow.
http://www.edinburgh-gazette.co.uk/issu ... le/start=1

Which, according to Google, and if that’s the right Broad Street, is about here. Was that the location of one of the Bottle Works on the old map? http://maps.google.com/maps?q=74+broad+ ... 4,,0,-1.61

Not sure if that helps,
Alan

[WilmaM]

Which, according to Google, and if that’s the right Broad Street, is about here. Was that the location of one of the Bottle Works on the old map

That's where I went wrong at the start Alan, that's the Glasgow Broad street, the other 2 Broad streets had thier names changed, when the City swallowed them up.

Broad Street, Parkhead now Arch Street, - now gone too I'm told

Broad Street, Camlachie now Biggar Street,

I used the NLS overlay map to pinpoint things further:
http://geo.nls.uk/search/mosaic/
choose the county and parish at the top
the modern map from the right drop down menu
the historical map from the left drop down menu
and the slider at the top to fade them in & out very clever!

'Duckneyfauld' however has eluded me!

I can see it on the map 1857 and it's present site would be Cathcart rd, Crown Street, Caledonia rd 'gushet' all modern buildings now.

[littlealison]

Thanks, Alan, for the extra bits, and thank you both for looking. I make it about here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=74+broad+ ... 4,,0,-1.61
Under the carpark. Maybe a future Time Team will dig it up in 200 years.

Anyway it was the Camlachie Bottle Works...I knew about Paul, Sanderson & Paul starting up here again (about 1872), but wasn't sure which works. Now I know a bit more about 1922.
The Pauls seem to have a connection with 'Crownpoint', so it may have been both....
The 'Scottish and Jacobite Glass' book by Fleming (1938) which I have just managed to get, says 'operating two tanks in Camlachie which are still in operation' - so this wasn't the end.

I've been following up a cutting I pasted out of a Glasgow Directory, which can't now find the source of. It said (exactly):

Stevenson, & Little, glass
bottle manufs., Camlachie
brickworks, Gt. East. rd.
and Crosshill, Cathcart rd.

I've been searching again though the directories to find where I got this, and I just can't find it again, which is really bugging me! Can anyone place it? It's in the 1860s, I know that.
I found the Cathcart Road site, I think although the street lists think Cathcart Road doesn't exist; but no brickworks..........??? No other entries in these years say this.

[Currie]

Just for interest I followed that Robert Paul back in time in the Glasgow Directories. He was at 74 Broad Street, Camlachie, back as far as 1895 or further. There seems to have been a cross street called Stobo Street nearby. I checked 1880 and he’s making bottles but at 74 Coalhill Street, Camlachie. Then in 1875, Paul, Sanderson & Paul are at Coalhill Street, Camlachie.

I couldn’t find anything anywhere for Duckneyfauld. It’s a bit like Duckenfield. Not much luck with the Camlachie Brickworks thing either. There’s an advert in the Glasgow Herald in 1858 referring to a Brick Work in Porter Street, Camlachie

There’s an interesting 1866 report in Parliamentary Papers about living conditions in the area. 1866 [3645] Public health. Eighth report of the Medical Officer of the Privy Council.

“Dr. Gairdner's reports, like those of the metropolitan officers of health, teem with instances of overcrowding and of wretched accommodation. The instances have this peculiarity, that nearly all are breaches of the law which have been since remedied. In July 1863, Dr. Gairdner reports that at 285, Argyle Street, is a house of 72 rooms, nearly all of which are separate tenements, and that some such, containing only 600 cubic feet or air, are occupied by 4 or 5 persons. He then describes the unreformed state of the Rookery, relating how rooms of 497 cubic feet received 3, 5, and even 6 persons as their only habitation. In October 1863 he relates the advantages of a purchase by the corporation of some old and neglected property, by means of which hundreds of people were routed out of a small group of houses. At 65, Bridgegate, lived a whole family in a room without a window. At 103, Gallowgate, 5 persons were ill with fever in a room sunk below the level of the close, without a window of any kind, and damp, dark, and noisome. At 47, Coalhill Street, a room of 800 feet was the sole habitation of nine persons. At 14, Broad Street, 3 persons occupied a room little more than 5 feet in each direction. In their proper place in Dr. Gairdner's reports, but not necessary to be extracted here, are frequent instances contributing to the evidence that at Glasgow disease is the constant guest in houses so constructed and so inhabited.”

I reckon sardines would be thanking their lucky stars they didn’t live there.

All the best,
Alan