Paterson, John; Born Cork Ireland in 1891;
Parents Alexander and Agnes Paterson (nee Boyd) both born in Fife married @165 Garngad Road Springburn 1n 1880 and lived in 302 Garngad Road from 1880 to 1884 when they moved to Cork. they had a daughter, Maragret, born in Provenmill in 1884, she was my Grandmother and she died in Cork in 1935 20 years before I was born.
Aexandere Paterson died in Cork in 1917 and Agnes died in Springburn Road Glasgow in her son, John Patersons house(302). John Paterson joined the Highland Light Infintary and then the Machiene Gun Corps and fought at Ypres, the Somme and France until the Great War ended. Alexander Paterson, Johns brother, was withe the 2nd Scots Guards, right flank company and died in Ypres on Hune 26th 1916, for the freedom of smaller Nations. I would also welcome any information on Alexander, I have his war record.
I have John Patersons WarRecord but I cannot trace him after his mother died in 1925. Can anyone out there help me? lease. I have posted this on the Dennistoun Forum in May 2012 with no luck thus far.
Mnay Thanks
jim
John Paterson, born Cork Ireland in 1891
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WilmaM
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Re: John Paterson, born Cork Ireland in 1891
Have you looked for his death record on Scotland's People?
There are only 5 John Paterson born 1981 who died in Glasgow after 1925.
Do you know where his mother was buried? he may be beside her
http://www.memento-mori.co.uk/ may help you with that.
or a death announcement in some of the city's papers.
There are only 5 John Paterson born 1981 who died in Glasgow after 1925.
Do you know where his mother was buried? he may be beside her
http://www.memento-mori.co.uk/ may help you with that.
or a death announcement in some of the city's papers.
Wilma
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Montrose Budie
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Re: John Paterson, born Cork Ireland in 1891
Hi Jim
And welcome to TalkingScot !
As Wilma very neatly demonstrates, even with a very common name such as John PATERSON, the problem is far from difficult to take further.
What you need to do is to make contact with a researcher who visits Edinburgh on a regular basis or one of the ever increasing numbers of locations that can connect into the GROS DIGROS system, to view those 5 death register entries (actually, I make it 6, but no matter.) Even if the year of birth is set to 1891 +/- 1 the number of Glasgow City records that come up as a match is only 13. Note that Scottish death register entries show the names of the parents, including the maiden surname of the mother.
Viewing those 13 images shouldn't take more than about 3 minutes !; note that pre 1962 images of these records are viewable on-line at http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk on a pay-per-view basis.
Extending the search to cope with a reported age that equates to 1891 +/- 5 years obviously wouldn't take much longer, - informants didn't always get the age of the deceased correct.
If he died in Scotland but outside Glasgow City, the '6' becomes 30, and the '13' becomes 61, easily viewable in half an hour or less.
Numbers would be lower if the counties neighbouring Glasgow were first considered, but the hassle of doing it county by county ain't worthwhile given these numbers involved, and might even end up taking longer in terms of tracking which counties' records had been checked.
Incidentally, if he died in Scotland, he died in 1975 or earlier, as, from 1976 onwards the death indexes include the mother's maiden surname, and there are no such matches here for BOYD.
Did he marry? That's still a worthwhile search if the death records don't help. In Glasgow City, between 1925 and 1945, there are 175 marriages of a John PATERSON, - that number of images should be checkable in around an hour or so, - Scottish marriage register entries show the names of both parents, including the maiden surname of the mother.
But be aware of the strong tradition that the marriage took place in the bride's home town, so that the counties neighbouring Glasgow City could have been involved, i.e. the counties of Argyle, Stirling, W and E Dunbarton, Renfrew, and maybe even Ayr and West Lothian ....... an awfy lot o' lassies went tae the jiggin in Glasgow.
Obviously we're assuming that he passed away in Scotland.
mb
And welcome to TalkingScot !
As Wilma very neatly demonstrates, even with a very common name such as John PATERSON, the problem is far from difficult to take further.
What you need to do is to make contact with a researcher who visits Edinburgh on a regular basis or one of the ever increasing numbers of locations that can connect into the GROS DIGROS system, to view those 5 death register entries (actually, I make it 6, but no matter.) Even if the year of birth is set to 1891 +/- 1 the number of Glasgow City records that come up as a match is only 13. Note that Scottish death register entries show the names of the parents, including the maiden surname of the mother.
Viewing those 13 images shouldn't take more than about 3 minutes !; note that pre 1962 images of these records are viewable on-line at http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk on a pay-per-view basis.
Extending the search to cope with a reported age that equates to 1891 +/- 5 years obviously wouldn't take much longer, - informants didn't always get the age of the deceased correct.
If he died in Scotland but outside Glasgow City, the '6' becomes 30, and the '13' becomes 61, easily viewable in half an hour or less.
Numbers would be lower if the counties neighbouring Glasgow were first considered, but the hassle of doing it county by county ain't worthwhile given these numbers involved, and might even end up taking longer in terms of tracking which counties' records had been checked.
Incidentally, if he died in Scotland, he died in 1975 or earlier, as, from 1976 onwards the death indexes include the mother's maiden surname, and there are no such matches here for BOYD.
Did he marry? That's still a worthwhile search if the death records don't help. In Glasgow City, between 1925 and 1945, there are 175 marriages of a John PATERSON, - that number of images should be checkable in around an hour or so, - Scottish marriage register entries show the names of both parents, including the maiden surname of the mother.
But be aware of the strong tradition that the marriage took place in the bride's home town, so that the counties neighbouring Glasgow City could have been involved, i.e. the counties of Argyle, Stirling, W and E Dunbarton, Renfrew, and maybe even Ayr and West Lothian ....... an awfy lot o' lassies went tae the jiggin in Glasgow.
Obviously we're assuming that he passed away in Scotland.
mb
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Re: John Paterson, born Cork Ireland in 1891
Hello and thanks to Montrose buddie and Wonka2 for your contributions.
I have tried evry combination on Scotlandspeople and Ancestry and all the John Patersons that died in Glasgow or adjoining areas do not match my information. I have his birth cert, his army record and his address @ 302 Springburm Road in 1925 as his mother died at the address and he registered the death. His mothers maiden name was Boyd and her mothers maiden name was Williamson It is just that he seems to dissapear after that in any records that I have reviewed. I do not know if he married I could find no record in Glasgow if he did. I can be certain that he did not marry prior to 1921. The irony of this is that I set out to research his brother Alexander then discovered that John also enlisted in 1915 in Cork. I know exactly where Alexander is buried and how and when he died but not so with John. It is important to me for many reasons including the fact that his BWM should be here in Ireland and not with the Military and also I am doing a project to ensure that both brothers are remembered here in Cork. The Holy Trinty Presbterian Chrurch has a real nice plaque to all those from the Chuch that enlisted in the British Military to fight in the Great War, amomg them the Patersons. I have no pecuniary interest in this, it is entirely personal and the finished project will be accepted by University College Cork for their History Dept.
Many Thanks again
Jim
I have tried evry combination on Scotlandspeople and Ancestry and all the John Patersons that died in Glasgow or adjoining areas do not match my information. I have his birth cert, his army record and his address @ 302 Springburm Road in 1925 as his mother died at the address and he registered the death. His mothers maiden name was Boyd and her mothers maiden name was Williamson It is just that he seems to dissapear after that in any records that I have reviewed. I do not know if he married I could find no record in Glasgow if he did. I can be certain that he did not marry prior to 1921. The irony of this is that I set out to research his brother Alexander then discovered that John also enlisted in 1915 in Cork. I know exactly where Alexander is buried and how and when he died but not so with John. It is important to me for many reasons including the fact that his BWM should be here in Ireland and not with the Military and also I am doing a project to ensure that both brothers are remembered here in Cork. The Holy Trinty Presbterian Chrurch has a real nice plaque to all those from the Chuch that enlisted in the British Military to fight in the Great War, amomg them the Patersons. I have no pecuniary interest in this, it is entirely personal and the finished project will be accepted by University College Cork for their History Dept.
Many Thanks again
Jim
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Montrose Budie
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Re: John Paterson, born Cork Ireland in 1891
Hi Jim
On the 1925 death register entry of his mother, what exactly is shown as regards the informant?, i.e. relationship and address, - if there's no address, the presumption is that he lived at the same address as that of the deceased.
mb
On the 1925 death register entry of his mother, what exactly is shown as regards the informant?, i.e. relationship and address, - if there's no address, the presumption is that he lived at the same address as that of the deceased.
mb
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jimfrags
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Re: John Paterson, born Cork Ireland in 1891
Hi and thanks again mb, Agnes Patersons Death on Dec13th 1925 is registered in the Parish of Kirkintilloch in the County of Dunbarton. On the where and when section of the cert it says; Dec 13th (the next word could be 7 hr 15m) and then there is a name again it is impossible to read but may be Woodilou? then another ais??? and the name boyd in small letters (that was her birth surname). It then says usual residence, 312 Springburn Road, Glasgow, then her cause of death (cancer) and the last section says signature & qualification and resisdence of informant if not of the household where the death occured, that section was filled out by John Paterson of 312 Springburn Road Glasgow ( Statutory deaths 400/00 02711) The person that wrote the original ![[cheers]](./images/smilies/cheers.gif "Cheers")
cert has even worse writing thatn myself and that is some feat.
many Thanks
jim
cert has even worse writing thatn myself and that is some feat.many Thanks
jim
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jimfrags
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Re: John Paterson, born Cork Ireland in 1891
Hi mb, it s me again, part of the mystry is solved, Agnes died in Woodilee Asylum, it took an eternity to figure that much out so my early post is now explained. it does not advance my project all that much but it explains a lot to me
jim
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Anne H
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Re: John Paterson, born Cork Ireland in 1891
jimfrags wrote...
The records for Woodilee Asylum are held by Glasgow Archives. You might try contacting the archivist, Alistair Tough to see if there might be any little bits of information that might be helpful in tracking down your John. You'll find his contact information here...http://www.archives.gla.ac.uk/gghb/collects/hb30.html
Might not be anything, but worth a try!
Regards,
Anne H
Hi Jim,I have John Patersons WarRecord but I cannot trace him after his mother died in 1925. Can anyone out there help me? lease. I have posted this on the Dennistoun Forum in May 2012 with no luck thus far.
The records for Woodilee Asylum are held by Glasgow Archives. You might try contacting the archivist, Alistair Tough to see if there might be any little bits of information that might be helpful in tracking down your John. You'll find his contact information here...http://www.archives.gla.ac.uk/gghb/collects/hb30.html
Might not be anything, but worth a try!
Regards,
Anne H
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Montrose Budie
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Re: John Paterson, born Cork Ireland in 1891
Hi Jim
Looking more and more as if he died furth of Auld Scotia.
But the problem here is the number of potential records for a John PAT[T]ERSON
And then there's the problem with English and Irish death records that they don't show the names of the parents.
Given the family connections and the ease of travel from Glasgow down the Clyde across to NI or further down to Dublin, I certainly wouldn't rule out a death in Ireland. He certainly had strong links to Cork.
And then, for a Scot, the world was his oyster !
UK outgoing passenger lists are on FindMyPast, but, the problem could be the number of John PATERSON matches, even of the correct age. Still, worth a look, as there might be a match in terms of origin shown as Glasgow. Do John's service records give any info on occupation.
Journeys between Glasgow and NI counted as being inside the UK, so no passengers lists. I'm not sure what applied after 1922 for journeys between the UK and Ireland.
mb
Looking more and more as if he died furth of Auld Scotia.
But the problem here is the number of potential records for a John PAT[T]ERSON
And then there's the problem with English and Irish death records that they don't show the names of the parents.
Given the family connections and the ease of travel from Glasgow down the Clyde across to NI or further down to Dublin, I certainly wouldn't rule out a death in Ireland. He certainly had strong links to Cork.
And then, for a Scot, the world was his oyster !
UK outgoing passenger lists are on FindMyPast, but, the problem could be the number of John PATERSON matches, even of the correct age. Still, worth a look, as there might be a match in terms of origin shown as Glasgow. Do John's service records give any info on occupation.
Journeys between Glasgow and NI counted as being inside the UK, so no passengers lists. I'm not sure what applied after 1922 for journeys between the UK and Ireland.
mb
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jimfrags
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Re: John Paterson, born Cork Ireland in 1891
Dear Anne H,
thank you for your information and help, I will set off down that road this evening, after the Irish match|||
Good Health, always
jim
thank you for your information and help, I will set off down that road this evening, after the Irish match|||
Good Health, always
jim