What Edwardian tool is this and who would use it?

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Adam Brown
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What Edwardian tool is this and who would use it?

Post by Adam Brown » Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:15 pm

This is a photograph of part of the frieze of the Scots-American War Memorial in Princes Street gardens in Edinburgh.

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Looking closely at one of the rows there is one man who has a tool which probably means he has a specific occupation rather than the others on the frieze who are pretty generic representatives of the clerks, artisans, tradesmen etc who joined the army in 1914. He is the bearded man, 2nd in from the front between the man in shirt-sleeves and the young man with a rifle.

Can anyone identify the tool in his hand to identify his occupation? It's a big ask because it is not that clear but the head or foot of it can be seen behind the elbow of the man in the shirtsleeves.

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Re: What Edwardian tool is this and who would use it?

Post by Adam Brown » Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:24 pm

Actually looking at it closely again I see he is wearing wellies and is carrying a wicker basket. Could he be an angler? Could that be a fishing rod wrapped in canvas? In which case I take it he represents a ghillie?

If that is the case and there is a shepherd there with his collie in the row behind then who is the man in the row behind that with the Balmoral, gaiters, mackintosh and cromach supposed to represent?

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Re: What Edwardian tool is this and who would use it?

Post by Hibee » Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:05 am

Hi Adam

It looks very similar to the gun being shouldered by the front rank of riflemen.

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Re: What Edwardian tool is this and who would use it?

Post by Currie » Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:31 am

Hello Adam,

The Scots Magazine, 1930, described it as “A band of twelve pipers and seven drummers is leading a recruiting party. Behind the files of disciplined soldiers a motley procession of recruits has fallen in — miners, shepherds, gamekeepers, clerks, fishermen, mechanics —all animated by the spirit expressed in the two lines of youthful poetry …..” http://books.google.com.au/books?id=N4A ... CDMQ6AEwAA

The soldiers are drumming up recruits and every man, boy, and his dog has joined in off the street as part of the fun of it all. Some at the back are struggling to keep up and are clearly either too young or too old to have a hope of joining up.

The strange object looks to me like a custom made canvas or similar bag narrow at one end and with the wide end open with maybe some tape sewn on. The contents are inserted, the end folded over, and tied. The narrow end looks to be tight and twisted. Maybe there is a rifle inside, in which case perhaps the basket is for game.

The fellow with his arm up looks to be more affluent than the others, I thought he was maybe wearing long socks rather than gaiters. My first impression was that he was the local landowner ordering people around, maybe he’s a clerk. He looks as if he’s about to give the fellow in front a push because he has his hands in his pockets.

There’s an interesting read here. http://books.google.com.au/books?id=3FA ... 22&f=false

All the best,
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Re: What Edwardian tool is this and who would use it?

Post by Adam Brown » Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:16 pm

Hibee and Alan

Many thanks for the replies and the help.

Hibee - it is actullly the bearded man in front of the man with the rifle I am interested in but I can't quite understand why a civilian would have an SMLE? I wonder if he is a student in the OTC but then he would have a uniform.

Alan - thanks for the links although I can't see the second one. Thanks also for the detailed observations about the item he is carrying. I think that confirms my feelings he is a ghillie carrying a fishing rod. The man with his arm up might be a laird, it is a representation of a cross-section of those who enlisted so it won't just be the working classes.

It seems to be the honest hard working labouring types are in the front rank of the civilians and the white-collar types seem to be the ones at the back but for the new recruits, armed but still in their civilian clothes, I think the man at the front is a clerk.

My feelings is that they are roughly from left to right

Men of commerce
Men of the sea
Men of the country
More men of the country
Men of the town
Men of industry

They represent a good cross-section of the tradesmen, artisans, labourers, servants and students who joined up in 1914.

A small point but the headgear of the soldiers, the tam o'shanter, was not introduced until the spring of 1915 so the second row of soldiers should be wearing glengarries.

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Re: What Edwardian tool is this and who would use it?

Post by Isabel H » Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:44 pm

Could it be one of those narrow tools for cutting peat, and a basket to carry it in?

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Re: What Edwardian tool is this and who would use it?

Post by WilmaM » Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:09 pm

Isabel H wrote:Could it be one of those narrow tools for cutting peat, and a basket to carry it in?
Now, that sounds more likely, they do use a very narrow sort of spade for the peats .
Wilma

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Re: What Edwardian tool is this and who would use it?

Post by Adam Brown » Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:57 pm

Glad to see this is generating some debate.

I can read the second link now and I can see that the sculptor did intend there to be more men from the countryside.

Isabel and Wilma

I don't think it is a peat cutter. I've looked at some Highland examples here and it doesn't look like what he is carrying:

http://joannebkaar-mary-anns-cottage.bl ... /peat.html

I have found an image of fishing rods in a canvas bag. It is the last photograph on the web page below. It isn't great but it is enough to make me think I should try and look for images of Edwardian ghillies/ anglers

http://www.mulberrybankauctions.com/cat ... 2&pageNo=9

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Re: What Edwardian tool is this and who would use it?

Post by Alan SHARP » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:11 pm

Greetings Adam.

Our local cenotaph has an inscription which in part reads "IN HONOUR OF OUR HEROS WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE GREAT WAR 1914 to 19"

In 60 years [it's just outside my old school gate] the significance of that date inscription, had not dawned upon me, until I offered to assist locally with a spreading project in NZ called Adopt an ANZAC. Whereby information is gathered, and collated, about the named persons on the memorials. Though WWII names were added to the Cenotaph, the above date was not touched.

Had I gone to the local paper and started reading say from 1920 looking for reports about it's fund raising, and construction, I would have drawn a blank, as the Cenotaph had it's official unveiling recorded in the local paper with 17 column inches of detailed editorial on October 17, 1918, one month before the 11/11/1918.

So my suggestion would be to search the local papers for construction and unveiling reports, and with a bit of luck, considerable press was given to the occasion, and those who contributed to it. I see that Alan "currie" has started in that direction, but assume there must be earlier reports.

All the best.

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Re: What Edwardian tool is this and who would use it?

Post by Adam Brown » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:30 pm

Thanks for he suggestion Alan and very interesting to read about a war memorial without names being unveiled before the Armistice in 1918.

I think I'm happy that he man is a ghillie. He is wearing wellington boots and is carrying a wicker basket but I have found a another photograph of rods in a canvas bag here:

http://c0728562.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspac ... 339_HR.JPG

Which is enough to convince me he is carrying fishing tackle and being a working man I am going for him being a ghillie.

Many thanks to everyone who contributed, it is very much appreciated.

Kind regards

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