Death Robert Ross

[LizzieS]

Hi,

I'm trying to find out when Robert Ross died. He was born 5th Aug 1857 in Glasgow. I have evidence of him in 1911 and later through business directories up to 1915. He is then living at 145 Albert Road, Langside and his confectionery business has moved to George Street. Later directories do not list the business, though a D Ross, possibly his son, is mentioned at the Albert Road address through to 1919.

On the 1915 valuation roll his wife, Jeanie, is shown as the tenant of 145 Albert Road. Does this mean he has died do you think?

She dies a widow in 1940.

I've spent most of this afternoon and a lot of SP credits trying to find his death!

Lizzie

[SarahND]

Hello Lizzie,
I take it you have checked the one in Hillhead in 1917 age 59 and it's not him?
There is also one in Garngadhill in 1917 age 62, less close in age, but could be.

And always the possibility that he died no where near his home-- so could be anywhere

All the best,
Sarah

[AndrewP]

Hi Lizzie,

Is your 1911 evedence of Robert being alive the census? Or some other document? I have found that the trade directories are not always as up to date as the date of publication, so can soemtimes have information that is a little behind the times. The valuation roll entry is probably not proof that Jeanie was a widow, but is quite a likelihood.

All the best,

AndrewP

[Currie]

Hello Lizzie,

In the Glasgow Herald, December 21, 1911, there’s a report of a fatal rail accident at Bellshill railway station. There’s a more gruesome report in the Scotsman. Killed was Robert Ross, wholesale confectioner, 62 and 68 George Street, Glasgow. He left a widow and family.

See second column of General Scottish News. http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=cM ... %2C6308746

All the best,
Alan

[SarahND]

How horrible, Alan... But Lizzie will be glad to know what happened and when he died. I wonder what the death certificate says. It is indeed on Scotlands People in 1911 in Bellshill.

Best wishes,
Sarah

[LizzieS]

Hi Alan,

Thanks yet again for solving another mystery for me. What a horrible way to die. My family seems to have a problem with railways, as you may recall I was looking for information re John Cunningham who met a nasty death on the North British Railway line in 1907. We had no luck finding any reports of that accident. I managed to get the Glasgow Heralds report for Robert but am unable to access the Scotsman. Still at least I know now what happened to him and why the business seemed to disappear. I say "seemed" as their is some family memory of Ross Sweetie shop so maybe one of the children took it on but failed to put an entry in the Directories.

Sarah, his death cert which you kindly pointed me towards says "body severed in two"!!!! Very nasty.

Thanks again for all your help.
Lizzie

[SarahND]

Oh dear Please stay away from railways, Lizzie!

Keep safe,
Sarah

[Currie]

Hello Lizzie,

The Scotsman notice was about the same as that in the Glasgow Herald and was on the same date. The Herald may have left out the cutting in two bit in consideration for those who knew him.

GLASGOW MAN KILLED ON THE RAILWAY.—A railway accident occurred at Bellshill Railway Station last evening, whereby an wholesale confectioner named Robert Ross, 62 and 68 George Street, Glasgow, was killed. He had just completed his day’s round, and in crossing the railway he had, it is conjectured, failed to notice the approach of the Edinburgh-Glasgow mail train. The body was cut in two. Mr Ross, who was well known in commercial circles, leaves a widow and family.

I think the NLS has the Scotsman among its databases accessible from home.

Is this your fellow selling a business at 51 Shuttle Street, halfway down the last column of page 11? (next to 'Bootmaker's Stock for Sale' highlighted) http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=rc ... %2C1922162

All the best,
Alan

[LizzieS]

Hi Alan,

Thanks for the Scotsman article. I didn't seem to be able to get it on line but will try again. It certainly was a bit gruesome sounding.

Somehow I had the article re the sale of the business. I don't remember where it came from but maybe you found it for sometime ago. Anyway R Ross is the father of this one. It doesn't look as though he managed to sell at that time as the business continued. This Robert inherited it together with his brother Donald, at his fathers death in 1904 and then around 1910 it appears to have moved to 68 George Street. The business directories indicate it was still going in 1914/15 and still run by a Robert Ross, perhaps this ones son? His oldest son is certainly a Robert. But what happened to it after that, goodness knows.

Lizzie

[Currie]

Hello Lizzie,

For the Scotsman article I probably put ross N/2 confectioner in the search box, or maybe it was N/3.

It was Annette who found the 1900 advert back in 2008, possibly why I didn’t remember. viewtopic.php?f=53&t=12565

My contribution was the bit about ice-cream being to blame for the breakdown of society, or whatever it was.

All the best,
Alan