Looking for WNNING Abbey Paisley, Renfrew, from 1833

[Liverbird75]

Parents are James (born 1815 Refrenshire) & Helen Gemmel (born 1814)

Helen 1833
Margaret 1836
Robert 1840
Catherine 1846
Alexandar 1843
Isabella 1845
James 1848
William 1848 (twins with above) I think married Mary Adam BARR
Marrion 1850
Agnes 1853
John 1855

[StewL]

Hi
A quick search of OPR only produces one child, Isabella 1844 Renfrew, there is none elsewhere as I did a search whithout specifying a location.

[AndrewP]

Hi Liverbird75,

I am surprised that the IGI shows only one child to this couple. I presume the IGI's (normally good) spelling alternatives are not linking Gemmel and Gemmell. Isabella is the only one listed as "Gemmel": the rest are "Gemmell" .

A parent search on ScotlandsPeople produces a list of 11 children to this couple, although slightly different order and dates from those given above. The first two are in Paisley (Abbey) parish, and all of the others in Paisley (Burgh or Low) parish.

Helen 1833
Catherine 1835
Margaret 1837
Robert 1839
Alexander 1843
Isabella 1844
James 1848
William 1848 (twins with above, or at least baptised on the same date)
Marion 1850
Agnes 1852
John 1854

All of these are available to download from ScotlandsPeople, although typically you won't get much new information from OPR records. It is likely that the dates will be baptisms rather than birth dates - only a look at the original documents will confirm that.

All the best,

AndrewP

[AndrewP]

... a little later...

I took a look at the OPR document for the twins. They are noted as being twins. The page gives good details of each baptism recorded: Name, gender, father, father's occupation, mother (with maiden surname), birth date and address, baptism date and by whom baptised, when recorded.

Assuming the child(ren) was/were born at home, you get a home address from this document.

All the best,

AndrewP

[WilmaM]

A look on Feecen gives:

1841
Piece: SCT1841/573 Place: Paisley -Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 2
Civil Parish: Paisley Low Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 55 Page: 11
Address: Causiside

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
WINNING James M 27 Flesher Renfrewshire
WINNING Helen F 28 Renfrewshire
WINNING Helen F 8 Renfrewshire
WINNING Cathrine F 6 Renfrewshire
WINNING Robert M 2 Renfrewshire
WINNING Isiabella F 3d Renfrewshire
PATERSON Jean F 15 Renfrewshire
GEMMEL Helen F 50 Renfrewshire

added bonus of ?her mother.

1851:

Piece: SCT1851/573 Place: Paisley -Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 2
Civil Parish: Paisley Low Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 465 Page: 25 Schedule: 95
Address: 59 Causeyside St

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
WINNING James Head M M 36 Flesher Renfrewshire - Nelston
WINNING Hellen Wife M F 36 Assists In Flesh Sale Shops Renfrewshire - Nelston
WINNING Hellen Dau U F 17 Dressmaker Renfrewshire - Paisley
WINNING Catherine Dau U F 15 Renfrewshire - Paisley
WINNING Margaret Dau U F 13 Scholar Renfrewshire - Paisley
WINNING Robert Son - M 11 Scholar Renfrewshire - Paisley
WINNING Alexander Son - M 8 Scholar Renfrewshire - Paisley
WINNING Isabella Dau - F 6 Scholar Renfrewshire - Paisley
WINNING James Son - M 3 Renfrewshire - Paisley NB: One of twins
WINNING William Son - M 3 Renfrewshire - Paisley NB: One of twins
WINNING Marion Dau - F 1 Renfrewshire - Paisley

Scotlands People has the family still in Paisley in 1861, downloading that could give you any further children, a post-1855 birth certificate could give more information.

[Currie]

Glasgow Herald, Monday, September 21, 1857
Sale of property at 60 & 61 Causeyside occupied by James Winning, Flesher, and others.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid= ... 0257&hl=en

Glasgow Herald, Friday, October 6, 1865
(Third column of Town Council Proceedings article, under Market Trust heading.)
James Winning, Flesher, Paisley, recommended for the office of Superintendent of the Markets and Slaughter-houses.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=h ... %2C4976028

Alan