Stewart/Hotchkiss of Coatbridge Scotland.....

[KenS]

Looking for ancestor history on Colin Stewart born 1825/26 in Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland. His family is listed in the 1881 Scot census from Old Monkland,Lanark. His address is shown as Muiryhall St 18 Coopertive Bldg. Also looking for ancestry of Colin's wife Helen Hotchkiss born 1834 in Glasgow, Lanark.

[JustJean]

Hello again Ken

Got bored in PA so decided to poke around with the Hotchkis family. If you're certain that the Helen born in 1834 in Old Monkland is yours well then you're in luck

Here is a listing from the BIVRI disks of children born to the same parents that are named in the IGI on her birth record....

HOTCHKIS, Johne Christening
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 14 Jan 1830
Christening Date: 17 Jan 1830 Recorded in: Bothkennar, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Father: James HOTCHKIS
Mother: Janet JENKIN
Source: FHL Film 1041972 Dates: 1722 – 1854



HOTCHKIS, Robert Christening
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 29 Jan 1832
Christening Date: 4 Mar 1832 Recorded in: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Father: James HOTCHKIS
Mother: Janet JINKINS
Source: FHL Film 1066602 Dates: 1700 – 1856


HOTCHKIS, Helen Christening
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 21 Feb 1834
Christening Date: 16 Mar 1834 Recorded in: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Father: James HOTCHKIS
Mother: Janet JINKINS
Source: FHL Film 1066602 Dates: 1700 – 1856


HOTCHKIES, John Christening
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 23 Nov 1840
Christening Date: 29 Nov 1840 Recorded in: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Father: James HOTCHKIES
Mother: Janet JENKINS
Source: FHL Film 1066602 Dates: 1700 – 1856


HOTCHKIS, Michael Christening
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 24 Feb 1844
Christening Date: 28 Feb 1844 Recorded in: Bothkennar, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Father: James HOTCHKIS
Mother: Janet JENKINS
Source: FHL Film 1041972 Dates: 1722 – 1854


HOTCHKIS, James Christening
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 13 Mar 1848
Christening Date: 2 Apr 1848 Recorded in: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Father: James HOTCHKIS
Mother: Janet JENKINS
Source: FHL Film 1066602 Dates: 1700 - 1856


To be honest I don't know what to make of the two births in Bothkennar and the others all in Old Monkland. I am only assuming this is all one family! This listing has a couple more names than the IGI parent search comes up with....and this has birthdates!

Hope this is a little more help....

Best wishes
Jean

[KenS]

Jean, You are fantastic. Yes am resonably certain of Helen's birthyear. Copied info myself frm Old Monkland cemetary files when visting cousins in Scotland. She is buried in layer 9, section 34 east side of cemetary. The info you obtained is great. Can now add some people to my tree. Am also looking for details on related Kelly family who are connected to Hendersons, one of your interests. Jean(Jane?) Russell Henderson and bro Edward, children of Ebeneizer Henderson & Jean Russell. Jean/Jane married Samuel Kelly & had at least two children, Janet Russell & Edward Kelly. I know practically nothing of the Hendersons or Kellys. Janet Russell Kelly was my grandmother born 1875 in Helensburgh, Dumbartonshire, Scotland. Married to James Stewart 1 Jan 1894 in Milton, Glasgow and died Jun 1906 at Coatbridge, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Janet is buried in layer 11, section 34,east side of Old Monkland. That's all my info.

Tried earlier to contact you but AOL kept dropping me. Perhaps we are related somehow thru Hendersons. I am not an experienced researher so people like you are of an invaluable resource. Thanks a ton for your help.

[Anne H]

From JustJean

Here is a listing from the BIVRI disks of children born to the same parents that are named in the IGI on her birth record....

Hi JustJean,

I'm hopeless with abbreviations....could you please tell me what BIVRI disks are? Many thanks.

Regards
AnneH

[JustJean]

Hello Ken

I've looked all around and can find no possible way my Hendersons and yours are connected. Mine were in the Maryhill area of Glasgow and had come from County Down. If you haven't pursued these lines yet you should find some good information from the IGI. There are 3 births to Ebenezer Henderson and Janet Russell

JAMES HENDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 12 JAN 1860 Middle Or New Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland

JANE HENDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 29 APR 1856 Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland

JANET HENDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 04 FEB 1858 Middle Or New Parish, Greenock, Renfrew

however I don't seem to find one for Edward! The BIVRI index is no help on this branch either

If these are definitely the parents of your Jane then this looks like the right Ebenezer in 1881...

Dwelling: 19 Maclean St
Census Place: Govan, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203684 GRO Ref Volume 646-1 EnumDist 7 Page 19
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Ebenezer HENDERSON W 53 M Cumbernauld, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Baker
James HENDERSON U 24 M Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Rivetter
Janet HENDERSON U 22 F Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Housekeeper

Best wishes
Jean

PS.....I'm not so experienced a researcher as you think ....but you can learn alot hanging around places like TalkingScot!

[JustJean]

From JustJean

Here is a listing from the BIVRI disks of children born to the same parents that are named in the IGI on her birth record....

Hi JustJean,

I'm hopeless with abbreviations....could you please tell me what BIVRI disks are? Many thanks.

Regards
AnneH

Hi AnneH

BIVRI = British Isles Vital Records Index

I think you'll find it mentioned as the BVRI too....but they are one and the same. A set of BMD (Birth, Marriage and Death) information available for purchase from the LDS (Latter Day Saints) church. Far from comprehensive but oftentimes you can pick up data that is not presently included in the online IGI (International Genealogical Index) Pheww....!! I didn't realize how many abbreviations I take for granted.....I hope this helps

Best wishes
Jean

[KenS]

Jean, You have been a tremendous help to me. Can't thank you enough. Like Anne H, I have no idea what BIVRI OR IGI means or how to use these resouces.
Is it possible for you to help me again with E.R. (Edward) Kelly, son Samuel, daughters Helen and Kate. In Sep 1900 Edward had lived at 4 Tennent St, near Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland. Don't ask where I got that info...picked it up somehow in my searches. I know next to zero on this family. Sam was the father of my grandmother Janet Russell Kelly.
Thanks again, Ken

[JustJean]

Hello Ken

Well well....let's see where do I begin? First and most important resource (Scotland's People website notwithstanding of course ) is the IGI which is available online and fully searchable (FOR FREE)! You can access this by clicking on our "Sources" tab at the top of this page. On the left column you will see a link to IGI search page. If you click on this it will automatically open up the page on the familysearch website (operated by the Mormon church of Salt Lake City ie...Latter Day Saints Church). You should go to this website often and play with all the buttons!! I'm sure there are instructions available there and if you make a mistake in entering search criteria they're quick to point out the error of your ways!!

For research in Scotland though you certainly must at some point dig deep into your pockets pull out your plastic and ring up a few sales with Scotlandspeople website (which can be accessed right from the top of this page via the special button labeled ScotlandsPeople) Through this resource you will find Scottish Statutory records (newer than 1855) for Births, Marriages, Deaths, Census returns and even now Wills.

You find us often answering queries with info from the 1881 Scottish Census but that is because many members of TalkingScot own the disks for this census. These disks are available for purchase from the LDS church too...but only for the year 1881. Any other information has to be searched for and "paid to view". Sooooo....much as we like to assist and often times do spend some credits of our own on others....it costs us just as much as it costs you to obtain information from ScotlandsPeople!!

As I just pointed out above the BIVRI disks are also available from the LDS church. When possible...specific requests are answered with data obtained from this resource like the 1881 census....but only in response to specific requests.

At the risk of doing all the research work for you and not giving you a chance to learn things for yourself you really should explore some of the vast online opportunites to further your own genealogical research.

Ok....lecture over ....oh wait...one other very helpful approach is to organize all your data on Family Group Sheets (a blank can be downloaded from the familysearch website) These can be an absolute necessity to keeping families organized by generation (in my opinion anyway!!)

Now.....as for Edward Kelly? I'm getting confused as to which Edward this is.......from the post that Andy made under Brook's thread on this same family.....this is the Edward Kelly family in 1881

Here's Samuels parents in 1881 with the added bonus of where they were born in Ireland:

Dwelling: Clyde Shore
Census Place: Cardross, Dumbarton, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203548 GRO Ref Volume 494 EnumDist 3 Page 19
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward KELLY M 51 M Down, Ireland
Rel: Head
Occ: Genl Labourer
Mary KELLY M 52 F Derry, Ireland
Rel: Wife
Occ: Genl Labourers Wife
Samuel KELLY W 28 M Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Journeyman Joiner
Alexander B. B. KELLY U 21 M Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Journeyman Joiner
Edward KELLY U 17 M Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Journeyman Gardener
Matilda KELLY 12 F Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Dau
Occ: Scholar
Jane KELLY 10 F Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Dau
Occ: Scholar
Susanna KELLY 8 F Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Dau
Occ: Scholar
James KELLY 6 M Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Janet KELLY 6 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Grd Dau
Occ: Scholar
Edward KELLY 3 M Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Grd Son
Alice WALKER W 48 F Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Visitor
Occ: Dressmaker

It seems that Edward was your Samuel's father, Edward was also his brother....and Edward was his son. Which one are you looking for info on??

Best regards
Jean

[KenS]

Jean, once again thank you for research re: my family. I believe you have nailed the Kellys. The research guide info is great and should enable me to try my hand. Am interested in all the Kellys (all the Edwards etc).

If you have encountered any expense on my behalf I will be pleased to reimburse you. I believe that I included my address info in my profile, If not will be happy to provide.

Thanks a million Jean, you have been so kind and patient.

Love Ya, Ken

[JustJean]

Jean, once again thank you for research re: my family. I believe you have nailed the Kellys. The research guide info is great and should enable me to try my hand. Am interested in all the Kellys (all the Edwards etc).

Ok...I'll keep my eye out for any further connections I run across....

If you have encountered any expense on my behalf I will be pleased to reimburse you. I believe that I included my address info in my profile, If not will be happy to provide.

Nah nah....no expenses incurred.............yet!
I figure us folk on this side of the pond need to stick together !

Thanks a million Jean, you have been so kind and patient.

Love Ya, Ken

(with compliments like that you can come back anytime )

Best wishes
Jean

PS...we do really want to hear how you make out with your own efforts at research so don't be a stranger......and don't stop asking questions!!!!