Searching for Neilson's in Lanark...

[Legs11]

Hello everyone,

I would be really grateful if anyone could help me with my Neilson's.

All I know is Thomas Neilson married Elizabeth Hoatson (I think) on December 26th 1843 in Crawfordjohn. I have them on the 1861 census with one son Thomas (aged 14) living in Carluke.

Thomas (son) married Margaret Ritchie in Carluke on November 16th 1866. I have them on the 1881 census with 5 children, living in Lesmahagow.

Now I'm stuck.... did Thomas and Elizabeth only have the one child? Any other info about the families would be great especially anything reguarding Thomas' (father) parents or the parents of Elizabeth or Margaret.

Thank you in anticipation
Love
Legs
xxxx

[ellenavon]

Hello Legs

The IGI has another child of the couple:

1. THOMAS NEILSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 19 MAY 1846 Crawfordjohn, Lanark, Scotland

2. WILLIAM HOATSON NEILSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 07 MAY 1848 Crawfordjohn, Lanark, Scotland

I'm afraid I'm not at home to check my 1881 discs for William's whereabouts in 1881.


Good Luck

Ellen.

[Legs11]

Thank you Ellen,

I'm assuming that William Hoatson Neilson must have died before 1861 otherwise he would have been with the family for the census as he would only have been 12/13 years old.

Thanks again
Legs
xxxx

[JustJean]

Hi legs

Yup...you're right...William's death is noted as part of the IGI submittal...

Birth: 12 APR 1848

Christening: 07 MAY 1848 Crawfordjohn, Lanark, Scotland

Death: 29 JAN 1849

I too am away from my home computer so can't look further at the moment. It would be worth a check on the BIVRI disks to see if the births or marriage might show up there. If you locate the deaths of Thomas Sr. or Elizabeth (Hoatson) on SP you could learn their parents names....(hopefully!)......

Best wishes
Jean

[nelmit]

Hi All,

Well Jean I never thought I would find a death entry as I thought there would be too many variations on her surname but..............

From SP - Betty Neilson Hoatson died in 1899 age 75 in Lesmahagow.

Regards,
Annette M

[nelmit]

5 minutes later...............................

Here are Betty and Thomas in 1881 with one of Thomas and Margaret's daughters.

Dwelling:
Census Place: Lesmahagow, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203695 GRO Ref Volume 649 EnumDist 1 Page 4
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Thomas NEILSON M 58 M Leadhills, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: General Labourer
Betty NEILSON M 58 F Crawfordjohn, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Gavin W. CLELAND U 29 M Carluke, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Boarder
Occ: Coal Miner
Betty H. NEILSON 9 F Carluke, Lanark, Scotland

And if you search SP for Thomas's death there is one in Lesmahagow in 1892 that looks about right.

Should get you lots of info Legs.

Good luck and let us know how you get on.

Annette M

[Andy]

Just in case you don't have the full brood, Thomas and Margaret Ritchie had at least 7 children.

The First, Betty Hoatson Neilson, was born in 1866 but must have died young. Betty H. (Mark 2) who was with the grandparents in 1881 was born in 1871.

[Legs11]

Morning Jean, Annette and Andy,

Thank you all so much for all your help. I am so grateful.

Jean, Thank you for the info on Wm H N. Where can I search the BIVRI disks (and what exactly are they?)? And who ir what is SP? I'm very new to the Scottish research, sorry if I'm being dense!!

Annette, Thank you for everything you found. I'm so pleased you found Betty H Neilson, my granddad remembers visiting 'the formidable Aunt Bett' at Dalserf when he was a young boy and being taken walking with Uncle ?Archie? (not 100% sure of the name or whether he was Bett's borther or husband!) He clearly remembers Uncle having a wooden leg and getting it lost in a bog one day!

Andy, Thank you for the Betty info! I didn't have either Betty before. Including them I have Thomas (born 1869) (My great great grandfather), Margaret (born 1870), William H (born 1874), Jane (born 1879) and John (born 1880). Does that agree with what you found? I do hope so! I wonder why Betty was with her grandparents for the 1881 when all the other children were with their parents?

Thank you all again for yout time and help.
Love
Legs
xxxx

[JustJean]

Hi Legs

I can explain the abbreviations but I can also save you the trouble of searching the BIVRI as they ain't there!!!

BIVRI - British Isles Vital Records Index - Is a CD Rom source compiled and sold by the Mormon Church. It is available to order through their website at FamilySearch.com. It contains Birth and Marriage data from England, Ireland, Scotland, and Wales and oftentimes has records or bits of info that are not available through their much larger online source...IGI (International Genealogical Index). It is far from complete but does have approx 10.4 million birth/christening records and an additional 1.9 million marriage records. Records are dated from 1530 - 1906. Don't be fooled in that there are some areas with little or no coverage at all....especially the Scottish Highlands, however Lanarkshire, Ayrshire, Midlothian and such have a decent showing. I find it especially handy when looking for births or marriages before 1855.....sometimes you get lucky

SP - Scotland's People - The pay per view website for Scottish reseearch. Surely you'll be a regular visitor there as you learn more about your family and your credit card will suffer Annette located the death record for Elizabeth Hoatson Neilson in the index for you there. If you go to the site you can purchase a "view" of this and if it's the record you seek then you can print off a copy of the actual image of the recording made by the registrar. From this you'll gain information about Elizabeth's parents, her marital status at the time of death, her address, age, and also who was the informant for her death.....which can often lead to the finding of other family members.

Looks like you have a wealth of family stories to help you put your family tree together

Best wishes and please keep asking more questions if you get stuck!!

Jean

[Andy]

Here's Thomas' parents in 1841:


Piece: SCT1841/659 Place: Wandell & Lamington-Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Wandell & Lamington Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 1 Page: 3
Address: Clydes Bridge

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
NELSON Thomas M 35 Lead Manufacturer Lanarkshire
NELSON Mary F 35 Lanarkshire
NELSON James M 15 Lanarkshire
NELSON Robert M 10 Lanarkshire
Page: 1/4 NELSON Agnes F 4 Lanarkshire
NELSON Richard M 2 Lanarkshire

Oodles more submissions for Thomas Neilson amd Mary Paterson:

1. JAMES NEILSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 31 MAY 1825
2. JAMES NEILSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 03 JUN 1825 Leadhills, Lanark, Scotland
3. ANNE NEILSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 14 JUN 1827
4. ANNE NEILSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 JUN 1827 Leadhills, Lanark, Scotland
5. MARY NEILSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 06 MAR 1833
6. MARY NEILSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 14 APR 1833 Wandell And Lamington, Lanark, Scotland
7. AGNES NEILSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 02 MAY 1837
8. AGNES NEILSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 07 MAY 1837 Wandell And Lamington, Lanark, Scotland
9. ROBERT NEILSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 29 JAN 1831
10. ROBERT NEILSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 30 JAN 1831 Wandell And Lamington, Lanark, Scotland
11. RICHARD NEILSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 08 MAY 1839
12. RICHARD NEILSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 02 JUN 1839 Wandell And Lamington, Lanark, Scotland
13. THOMAS NEILSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 02 NOV 1823
14. THOMAS NEILSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 06 DEC 1823 Leadhills, Lanark, Scotland

Elizabeth died in 1899 under the name Betty.

Her birth isn't recorded under Hoatson but her sister's were:

1. JEAN HOATSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 MAR 1826 Crawfordjohn, Lanark, Scotland
2. MARGARET MURRAY HOATSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 JUL 1831 Crawfordjohn, Lanark, Scotland
3. MARY HOATSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 14 DEC 1827 Crawfordjohn, Lanark, Scotland

Betty can be found under the Howatson spelling:

1. BETTY HOWATSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 27 APR 1823 Crawfordjohn, Lanark, Scotland

The parents, by the way, were William and Jeannie Thomson.

This is the mother and two sisters in 1841:

Piece: SCT1841/636 Place: Crawfordjohn-Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Crawfordjohn Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Crawfordjohn
Folio: 4 Page: 4
Address: Mosscastle

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
THOMSON Jane F 40 Independent Outside Census County (1841)
HOATSON Mary F 12 Lanarkshire
HOATSON Margaret F 9 Lanarkshire

Fairly sure this is Betty in 1841:

1841 Census
4 Records found


Piece: SCT1841/610 Place: Old Cumnock-Ayrshire Enumeration District: 8
Civil Parish: Old Cumnock Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Old Cumnock
Folio: 0 Page: 5
Address: Hollosholm

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MCKENZIE Susanna F 40 Outside Census County (1841)
HOWATSON Elizabeth F 15 Female Servant Outside Census County (1841)
BROWN Alexander M 20 Miner Iron Ayrshire
BROWN David M 20 Miner Iron Ayrshire

There are a number of Ayrshire births around the same time with identical middle names so perhaps there are other Hoatson/Howatson rellies to find.

Hope this was of interest.