Mary Douglas c 1834.....

audrey · Post by **audrey** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:49 pm

Hi all
just joind so this is my first post
looking for info on my Ggrandmother Mary Douglas B Scotland c1834
she married John Sewell pre 1853
I believe this is her family in 1841 her father was born Hawick I have never found a marriage for Mary &John in Scotland or England but I have both death certs and birth certs of their children in Carlisle Cumberland I have all Marys history from the birth of James Sewell born Carlisle 1854
but I would love to prove that the family below are correct I feel with out finding a marriage for Mary its going to be impossible I can trace one of her grandchildren born Dumfries but the address is only Greenbrae Loaning and its missing from 1881 census so I am not able to check who was living there in 1886 the time of G Grandsons bith

This looks like them from the 1841 census for Dryfesdale, Dumfries

Lockerbie hill
Douglas Robert m 40y Ag Lab DFS
Douglas Mary f 30y DFS
Douglas Margaret f 12y DFS
Douglas George m 10y DFS
Douglas Mary f 8y DFS ?
Douglas Jane f 5y DFS
Douglas John m 3y DFS

I would be gratefull for any info that would help me confirm Mary Douglas birth

audrey

CatrionaL · Post by **CatrionaL** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:24 pm

Hullo Audrey

Good to have you with us on Talking Scot.

The family you have found on the 1841 Census appears to be

Robert DOUGLAS and Mary SCOT

A parent search on the International Genealogicla Index will give the list of their children whose ages correspond.

Their daughter Mary was born on 15th April 1833 in Ewes, Dumfries according to a submission.

Perhaps searching some of this Mary's siblings' information could help move your search forward.

Best wishes

Catriona

P.S. Can't find a marriage for Robert and Mary either

Alcluith · Post by **Alcluith** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:29 pm

Audrey

A warm welcome to TalkingScot

There is a entry on the LDS site for a Mary Douglas born 15 April 1833 to a Robert Douglas and Mary Scott in Ewes Dumfries. This has to be treated with caution. No sign of parent's marriage.

Alcluith · Post by **Alcluith** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:39 pm

Audrey,

Some more of Mary's siblings from same source

JEAN DOUGLAS Christening: 15 AUG 1825 Dryfesdale, Dumfries
WILLIAM DOUGLAS Birth: DEC 1826 Ewes, Dumfries
MARGARET DOUGLAS Birth: 29 JAN 1829 Ewes, Dumfries
GEORGE DOUGLAS Birth: 29 JAN 1830 Ewes, Dumfries
JEAN DOUGLAS Christening: 13 AUG 1835 Dryfesdale, Dumfries

audrey · Post by **audrey** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:46 pm

Thank you for your replies buy tried every thing been looking for this info for over 20 years one day who knows I might just hit the jackpot

audrey

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:59 pm

Hello Audrey
This looks like the same family from the 1851 census.
Have you looked at dumgal.gov.ukthat's where this came from

Name: DOUGLAS , James
Address: Lockerbie Hill(820)
Parish: Dryfesdale
Relationship: son of Robert Douglas
Marital Status:
Occupation: SCHOLAR
Age: 9
Born: born Dryfesdale Dms
Household No: 2/23

Name: DOUGLAS , Jane
Address: Lockerbie Hill(820)
Parish: Dryfesdale
Relationship: daughter of Robert Douglas
Marital Status:
Occupation: SCHOLAR
Age: 15
Born: born Dryfesdale Dms
Household No: 2/23

Name: DOUGLAS , John
Address: Lockerbie Hill(820)
Parish: Dryfesdale
Relationship: son of Robert Douglas
Marital Status:
Occupation: SCHOLAR
Age: 12
Born: born Dryfesdale Dms
Household No: 2/23

Name: DOUGLAS , Mary
Address: Lockerbie Hill(820)
Parish: Dryfesdale
Relationship: wife of Robert Douglas
Marital Status: married
Occupation:
Age: 50
Born: born Ewes Dms
Household No: 2/23

Name: DOUGLAS , Mary
Address: Lockerbie Hill(820)
Parish: Dryfesdale
Relationship: daughter of Robert Douglas
Marital Status: unmarried
Occupation: HOME employed
Age: 17
Born: born Ewes Dms
Household No: 2/23

Name: DOUGLAS , Robert
Address: Lockerbie Hill(820)
Parish: Dryfesdale
Relationship: head of household
Marital Status: married
Occupation: WOOD FORESTER
Age: 54
Born: born Hawick Roxburgh
Household No: 2/23

Name: DOUGLAS , William
Address: Lockerbie Hill(820)
Parish: Dryfesdale
Relationship: son of Robert Douglas
Marital Status: unmarried
Occupation: CARPENTER house
Age: 23
Born: born Ewes Dms
Household No: 2/23

Don't give up the search you never know where another clue will come from

Russell

audrey · Post by **audrey** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:15 pm

Russell
Yes thank you I have that info I am convinced this is my Douglas family all the names are family names Mary had 4 sons 1 daugher the sons were James, John ,William & Robert.Robert was my grandfather born 1870 in Carlisle I think I am ready to exsept this as my right family

audrey

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:22 am

Hi Audrey and Welcome!

After reading the part of your post that refers to...

audrey wrote:...snipped......but I would love to prove that the family below are correct I feel with out finding a marriage for Mary its going to be impossible I can trace one of her grandchildren born Dumfries but the address is only Greenbrae Loaning and its missing from 1881 census so I am not able to check who was living there in 1886 the time of G Grandsons birth ....snipped.....

audrey

I decided to have a double check of the 1881 census. First off I learned that there was a Greenbrae described as being a portion of the village of Stoop which was situated 1 mile NE of Dumfries. Taking this as a good sign I decided to search the Lowlands, Dumfries, and village of Stoop.....but there ain't none listed!!!....So I settled for Dumfries and proceeded to pull up all DOUGLAS inhabitants in 1881.l Upon checking each family I stumbled onto this one....

Dwelling: Greensands Loading
Census Place: Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0224047 GRO Ref Volume 821 EnumDist 1 Page 1
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Thomas DOUGLAS M 23 M Thornhill, Dumfries, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: School Master
Mary I. DOUGLAS M 27 F England
Rel: Wife

I have absolutely no idea if these might be connected or not but the address seemed to be too much of a coincidence to pass by.

So tell me.....is this any help or not???

Best wishes
Jean

audrey · Post by **audrey** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:16 am

Jean
I will check that out but I have my doughts as my Mary Douglas could not write all certs of the children are sighnd with X and that Douglas is a head master I was on scotlands people last night and found another 2 Douglas /Sewell unions
John Douglas to AnnSewell 29/1/1842 Langholm
Mary Sewell to John Main 15/10/1849 Langholm
just to complicate matters ferther parents of John Sewell b 1886 Greenbrae Loaning were John Sewell and Catherine[ ne] Henrey Catherine was born in Carlisle but her parents were from Ireland Catherines mother was an Irish Sewell

audrey

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:04 pm

Hi Audrey

Well....then let me jump over to the known family in 1881! And this is what appears to be Mary's son John and wife Catherine

Dwelling: 31 Burns St
Census Place: Caldewgate, Cumberland, England
Source: FHL Film 1342245 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5159 Folio 128 Page 42
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John SEWELL M 27 M Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Hatter
Catherine SEWELL M 27 F Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Rel: Wife
Isaac SEWELL 4 M Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Rel: Son
Ann SEWELL 6 m F Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Rel: Daur

and it is also interesting to note that he was a hatter and they were then living right in a ward of the city of Carlisle. Why would they move to Dumfries and would his occupation change by 1886???? Or perhaps the move was family related and not job related???? Were there any other children born to them in Dumfries?? Where were they in 1891 anyhow?? I notice that John states he was born in Carlisle....and he was the firstborn wasn't he?.....so that means that Mary was south of the border at or soon after her marriage in 1854???

Sorry....so many questions....so few answers

Best wishes
Jean

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