My G.Grandfather, Robert Wilson married Janet Slater in 1885. On the marraige cert. it says he was living at Maryhill Barracks, 21 years old and a gunner in the Royal Field Artillery. I have found both birth and death certificates for his wife, then the problem starts.
I cannot find a Robert and Janet Wilson on any of the census',and I cannot find a birth or death cert. for Robert.
I have found both of their children on the 1901 census living with Janets parents but no mention of them.
I also cannot find anything on Roberts parents, Thomas and Mary Wilson (looks like Tyre) as stated on Roberts marraige certificate.
After hours and hours of trawling through SP every thing I open is not the right one . Has anyone got any ideas on what next?
Thanking everyone in advance.
Robert Wilson, cant find the right one.....
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Robert Wilson, cant find the right one.....
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Thank you Skene. I have thought about that but Roberts middle name was Clark, and if he was really 21 when he got married it would make his birth year around 1864. But it is a mystery and I will look at that one. 
Also what is IGI I seen it on here before but dont know the web address. 
Also what is IGI I seen it on here before but dont know the web address. Researching Wilson, Reid, S(c)later and Ross in Glasgow. Mcgregor, Ross, White, Pirie, Gaffney, and Math(i)e(w)son and Ross in Dundee and Perth.
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Hi Anne,
The IGI is the International Genealogical Index, as compiled by the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints (LDS). The website to access the IGI is:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... _form=true
There are different sets of records to be found on the IGI. Referring specifically to the Scottish entries there, There are those extracted from the records and those submitted by LDS members. The ones that are readily proved are the extracted ones which are from the Old Parochial Registers (OPRs) for pre-1855 and from the civil records 1855-1875. The extracted records are specifically births (or christenings for the majority of the pre-1855) and marriages (or proclamations of banns for the majority of pre-1855). The extracted records on the IGI do not include the deaths.
The information on the submitted records may be good, or can be someone's estimates of when these events took place. Its placing on the IGI is not verified by the LDS. You have to judge if you take these as giving you reliable information or not.
All the best,
Andrew Paterson
The IGI is the International Genealogical Index, as compiled by the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints (LDS). The website to access the IGI is:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... _form=true
There are different sets of records to be found on the IGI. Referring specifically to the Scottish entries there, There are those extracted from the records and those submitted by LDS members. The ones that are readily proved are the extracted ones which are from the Old Parochial Registers (OPRs) for pre-1855 and from the civil records 1855-1875. The extracted records are specifically births (or christenings for the majority of the pre-1855) and marriages (or proclamations of banns for the majority of pre-1855). The extracted records on the IGI do not include the deaths.
The information on the submitted records may be good, or can be someone's estimates of when these events took place. Its placing on the IGI is not verified by the LDS. You have to judge if you take these as giving you reliable information or not.
All the best,
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Thank you Andrew, I only started researching at the start of January so not sure of all the abbreviations. Can work some out but that one stumped me.
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Re: Robert Wilson, cant find the right one
i am having problems with my robert wilson too,(no relation to yours) my one was born 1815 in the black isle(have record)died 1849,just before the government took over the records,and as l.d.s. don't seem to record deaths i can find no trace of him,i do have confirmation of his death from family records,and where, but nothing official, sorry this isin't of any help to you , but i'm sure someone somewhere will have an idea.anner wrote:My G.Grandfather, Robert Wilson married Janet Slater in 1885. On the marraige cert. it says he was living at Maryhill Barracks, 21 years old and a gunner in the Royal Field Artillery. I have found both birth and death certificates for his wife, then the problem starts.
I cannot find a Robert and Janet Wilson on any of the census',and I cannot find a birth or death cert. for Robert.
I have found both of their children on the 1901 census living with Janets parents but no mention of them.
I also cannot find anything on Roberts parents, Thomas and Mary Wilson (looks like Tyre) as stated on Roberts marraige certificate.
After hours and hours of trawling through SP every thing I open is not the right one . Has anyone got any ideas on what next?
Thanking everyone in advance.
ian jack
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Is it possible that both were overseas & the children left with Grandparents.I don't know what the situation was for spouses & the Army at that time but perhaps Janet travelled with him wherever he was serving.
Is it possible that he was born in Ireland?What does Janet's Death Certificate say is she a Widow or wife of? This would help to pinpoint Robert's Death date.
It is possible that he died whilst serving abroad & if he was English/Irish then SP would hold no entries for his Birth/Death.
I would search the English Census for 1891/1901 to see if he was serving there.If you can find where his Regiments were on those dates it should narrow down your search.
Also middle names can be a hinderance or a help sometimes they are not noted in documentation or people add/drop them so don't dismiss the IGI entry out of hand.Sometimes you have to dig long & hard.Good luck
Is it possible that he was born in Ireland?What does Janet's Death Certificate say is she a Widow or wife of? This would help to pinpoint Robert's Death date.
It is possible that he died whilst serving abroad & if he was English/Irish then SP would hold no entries for his Birth/Death.
I would search the English Census for 1891/1901 to see if he was serving there.If you can find where his Regiments were on those dates it should narrow down your search.
Also middle names can be a hinderance or a help sometimes they are not noted in documentation or people add/drop them so don't dismiss the IGI entry out of hand.Sometimes you have to dig long & hard.Good luck
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Thanks Joette
Since posting this topic I have found out quite a lot. As you rightly stated what was on Janets death cert. It stated he was deceased. I know that he died before 1917 when his son married as on that cert. it says he is deceased.
I went to the National Archives and found his attestment papers, you are right again and he was Irish. His wife had travelled with him. I know it was him as it was the only one with a marraige cert. in stating that he had not got time of to marry, and his wife was Janet Slater accompanied him.
He then was classed as a deserter and spent time in army prisons, at one time up the road from where I live, in Aldershot. So that cleared up the war issue for me. He didnt go.
I still cant find him or Janet on either the 1891 or 1901 census, but am going back to the N.A next week and having another look for both of them being in the same sort of location.
On the 1901 I have found a Janet at the right age but she is in Northumberland and I need to find out if there where barracks around there or within that sort of area.
I never thought I would be so fascinated with my family tree but Ive got the bug.
The other thing is to find where he died. I have opened nearly every Robert Wilson on S.P and have finally come to the conclusion that he died somewhere in England. I still have lots of relatives to find in Scotland though and have just started to tackle the Ross side.
Many thanks though, and glad someone had the same theory as me.
Anner.
Since posting this topic I have found out quite a lot. As you rightly stated what was on Janets death cert. It stated he was deceased. I know that he died before 1917 when his son married as on that cert. it says he is deceased.
I went to the National Archives and found his attestment papers, you are right again and he was Irish. His wife had travelled with him. I know it was him as it was the only one with a marraige cert. in stating that he had not got time of to marry, and his wife was Janet Slater accompanied him.
He then was classed as a deserter and spent time in army prisons, at one time up the road from where I live, in Aldershot. So that cleared up the war issue for me. He didnt go.
I still cant find him or Janet on either the 1891 or 1901 census, but am going back to the N.A next week and having another look for both of them being in the same sort of location.
On the 1901 I have found a Janet at the right age but she is in Northumberland and I need to find out if there where barracks around there or within that sort of area.
I never thought I would be so fascinated with my family tree but Ive got the bug.
The other thing is to find where he died. I have opened nearly every Robert Wilson on S.P and have finally come to the conclusion that he died somewhere in England. I still have lots of relatives to find in Scotland though and have just started to tackle the Ross side.
Many thanks though, and glad someone had the same theory as me.
Anner.
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Thank you Ian.
I wish Wilson Wasnt such a common name though. As I have the father of Robert down as Thomas and his mother is Mary I will have to start looking at Irish links as well. Not sure if that is as easy as it sounds as I have got two surnames for his mother, one being Mcintyre and the one on his attestation papers is hard to read. Never mind though, I am going to give it a go.
Anner.
I wish Wilson Wasnt such a common name though. As I have the father of Robert down as Thomas and his mother is Mary I will have to start looking at Irish links as well. Not sure if that is as easy as it sounds as I have got two surnames for his mother, one being Mcintyre and the one on his attestation papers is hard to read. Never mind though, I am going to give it a go.
Anner.
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Yorkshire: Butterworth, Todd, Angell, Bearpark and Nutbrown. To name but a few.
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