Antrim, Ireland

[marilyn morning]

John Morning b. about 1793 d. 24 March 1877 Johnstone Scotland. John's parents were Adam Morning and Mary McMillian both passed before 1877. According to census documents they were from Antrim, Ireland. The only information I have on Adam & Mary is recorded on John's death record from SP. Any suggestions on where I could begin
to look for additional information on Adam? I have zero experience in Ireland.

A distant cousin of mine is attending Queens University in Belfast and is willing to do some lookups. Lucky me!

Regards
Marilyn

[DavidWW]

John Morning b. about 1793 d. 24 March 1877 Johnstone Scotland. John's parents were Adam Morning and Mary McMillian both passed before 1877. According to census documents they were from Antrim, Ireland. The only information I have on Adam & Mary is recorded on John's death record from SP. Any suggestions on where I could begin
to look for additional information on Adam? I have zero experience in Ireland.

A distant cousin of mine is attending Queens University in Belfast and is willing to do some lookups. Lucky me!

Regards
Marilyn

Marilyn

You may be fortunate in that extant Antrim records are relatively well covered by the Ulster Historical Foundation, see http://www.ancestryireland.co.uk/

Your cousin could usefully spend a couple of hours in their library. Details are

Balmoral Buildings,
12 College Square East, (right in the centre of Belfast)
Belfast,
BT1 6DD
Northern Ireland

Telephone: 028 90 332288
Fax: 028 90 239885

He/She will need to phone first to check what the terms are for "off-the-street" visitors. It may work out less expensive to become a member.

Davie

[Dz]

John Morning b. about 1793 d. 24 March 1877 Johnstone Scotland. John's parents were Adam Morning and Mary McMillian both passed before 1877. According to census documents they were from Antrim, Ireland. The only information I have on Adam & Mary is recorded on John's death record from SP. Any suggestions on where I could begin
to look for additional information on Adam? I have zero experience in Ireland.

You might want to try an inexpensive short-term subscription to http://www.otherdays.com first. Search their Griffith's Valuation index within Antrim for both names, Morning and McMillan. If you find both in the same townland (or neighboring ones), you will have likely locations in which to start looking.

You can print out the text from the search listings - and even get a screen capture of the Griffith's page for your files (on otherdays).

Knowing the precise location of your ancestors is the mandatory first step. (It is even more important in Ireland than it is on SP - and usually is the hardest item to determine in both countries.)

Marriages almost always occurred in the bride's parish, if different from the groom's.

Unfortunately, civil registration in Ireland didn't start until the mid-to-late 1860s (and was often ignored until years later...).

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[Andy]

Morning is a very uncommon name in Ireland.

Griffith's has 17 Morning heads of household from 1848 - 1864

Antrim 1
Derry 2
Donegal 9
Kildare 1
Wexford 4

The Tithes aren't online and there is only one Morning, David, listed for North East Antrim and parts of Down in the Agricultural Census of 1803. If Adam was living in these areas he would have been of fighting age and should have been listed, this suggests he was staying outwith the catchment area which narrows it down a bit but not much.

I notice that other Mornings were born in the Paisley area in the early 1820's:

David Morning b: ABT 1818 in Elderslie, Renfrew, Scotland
John Morning b: ABT 1821 in Johnstone, Renfrew, Scotland
James Morning b: ABT 1823 in Johnstone, Renfrew, Scotland
Adam Morning b: ABT 1826 in Johnstone, Renfrew, Scotland
Thomas Morning

These are children of John and Janet McLachlan

David Morning married Jane Shaw

John Morning = Elizabeth Nichol

James Morning = Agnes

Adam Morning = Elizabeth Aitken

Thomas Morning = Elizabeth Mathies

It may be worth asking Jack to have a wee look for them all around Graham Street, Johnstone in 1851. If John is listed as 77-ish this would push back his date of birth to about 1773 in the which case his father may have been too old to fight and an eldest son, perhaps David (given the Renfrewshire Family names), was head of the household in 1803.

Just some thoughts.

[Andy]

The only listings in IGI for Antrim Mornings are the Children of Thomas and Eliza Cosgrove:

1. ROSE ANNE MORNING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 13 JUL 1870 , Antrim, Ireland

2. JOHN MORNING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 29 NOV 1865 0097, Croagh District, Antrim, Ireland

3. DAVID MORNING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 29 MAR 1868 , Antrim, Ireland

4. THOMAS MORNING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 13 JUN 1859 Ballycastle, Antrim, Ireland

Given the names, it would seem VERY likely that this family are related to yours

[IanS]

Re-Otherdays

This site has been down for approx 3 weeks now, hopefully they will get their problems fixed soon.

See

http://eogn.typepad.com/eastmans_online ... appen.html

G.V. can also be accessed at htpp://www.irishorigins.com

Mmm, the above irish origins link appears to be dodgy, a google for irishorigins should bring up a decent link. This site is not down as my own link is working perfectly.

[Andy]

The address is http://www.irishorigins.com you didn't quite do a sporran but you had a problem with a "Pee" tooo many

That's really bad news about Otherdays, wonder what's going on.

[marilyn morning]

Gentlemen, I greatly appreciate all your suggestions and have forwarded them to my cousin. Should keep her busy for awhile!

Davie, the ancestryireland site has been added to my favorites, but at first glance the membership rate seems to be reasonable. Thank you.

Dweezild, I will investigate the otherdays page when they come back on-line. Thanks

Andy, The Morning name is indeed an uncommon one, even here in the US. The John Morning b: abt 1821 is my ggg grandfather and his brothers. The IGI for Antrim Mornings is interesting, I just received a copy of the Griffiths Valuation 1847-1864 which lists the birth year of David and Rose Anne, but John and Thomas were missing. In a 1803 Agricultural Census document David Morning from the Parish of Billy and Townland of Carryreagh is listed. Thanks for all your thoughts!

IanS, irishorigins is another site I'll add to my favorites. Thanks

Jack, could you take a look in the 1851 census for John Morning and Janet McLachlan around Graham Street in Johnstone?

Regards
Marilyn

[Jack]

Hi Marilyn,

I got John & Janet last month - mind those censuses i nearly deleted from my Drafts folder....!
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>Post subject: Johnstone Churchyard Renfrewshire
>Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:59 pm

>1851 cens 573-4 (473) Ed 12 pg 34 (Abbey)
>Graham St, Johnstone.
>John MORNING, head, marr, 58, weaver, b Antrim, Ireland
>Janet MORNING, wife, 55, not employed, b Antrim, Ireland
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I've got Irish GGG-Gparents myself - Hugh Shannon & Jean Workman, but haven't started on them as yet; rather dreading it!

Wishing you well in your own Irish search.

Jack

[Andy]

With an uncommon name like Morning it's sometimes worth taking a chance and checking others in the same area with the same name. For example:

Dwelling: 54 East Hamilton St
Census Place: East Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203571 GRO Ref Volume 564-2 EnumDist 7 Page 24
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Robert MORNING M 45 M Ireland
Rel: Head
Occ: Pottery Labourer
Ellen T. MORNING M 40 F England
Rel: Wife
Jane MORNING 18 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Pottery Worker
Samuel MORNING 14 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Pottery Worker
Ellen MORNING 10 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Robert MORNING 4 M Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Son

Robert married Helen/Ellen Tew in 1862 in Glasgow. Their listed children were:

1. HELEN MORNING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 15 NOV 1870 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

2. SAMUEL MORNING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 25 JUL 1867 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

3. JANE MORNING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 27 MAR 1863 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

4. THOMAS MORNING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 30 JUN 1865 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

Another Thomas, but MORE, Robert's parents were David Morning (Weaver) and Jane Baxter who are not listed as deceased in 1862. I really think that they might be related too.

Alan W. Davidson is another person you should contact (although some of his posted lines are suspect). If you can't find his address give me a shoutand I'll post it privately.