james bell and janet mccall.....

karenc · Post by **karenc** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:57 pm

Hi there.

I am at a brick wall and if anyone can help me i would be really grateful.

i am looking to find out more about james bell and janet mccall. i know they had 8 children born between 1795 and 1814. they were all born in new cumnock.

as yet i cannot find a marriage for them and i think i would be pushing it to find them on a census as they would be quite old.

if anyone has come across these two whilst doing their research or can give me any pointers that would be great!

Karen

Post by **Tracey** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:26 pm

Hi Karen i think you will find them still alive and kicking in 1841

Piece: SCT1841/610 Place: Old Cumnock-Ayrshire Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: Old Cumnock Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Old Cumnock
Folio: 0 Page: 8
Address: Boyleston

BELL James M 90 Farmer Ayrshire
BELL / MCCALL Janet F 70 Ayrshire McCall crossed out
BELL Agnes F 30 Ayrshire
BELL John M 25 Ayrshire
BELL Andrew M 20 Ayrshire
MITCHELL John M 11 Ag. Lab. Ayrshire
MCCRONE James M 10 Ayrshire
BELL Janet F 6 Ayrshire
BELL Mary F 3 Ayrshire

Tracey

karenc · Post by **karenc** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:55 pm

thanks for the help tracey.

as usual the census now throws up more questions than answers

. it doesnt tell you on the 1841 census what relation they are to the head does it?

Karen

Post by **Tracey** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:01 pm

Hi Karen

No it doesnt

. They were on http://freecen.rootsweb.com

A useful guide to letting you know what information to expect to find on all the census is http://www.talkingscot.com/censuses/census-1841.htm

Tracey

Post by **joette** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:01 pm

Not usually Karen although I have seen the odd one with relationship on it but that was under occupation.

Caroline · Post by **Caroline** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:22 pm

Hi Karen,

If you look up the names on the IGI you might be able to work out the relationships. For example, James McCrone turns out to be the son of Agnes and her husband Andrew McCrone, but goodness knows where he is !

Good luck

Caroline

karenc · Post by **karenc** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:36 pm

well thanks tracey, joette and caroline for the info!

now i will have to go and figure out who is who and try and find out what happened to andrew mccrone

so it looks like there is still plenty of investigating to do!

Karen

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:47 pm

For "simple" family groups, e.g. Ma and Pa, say both 35 , plus 5 wains in descending order from, say, 10 to 2, it's fairly obvious what was probably the situation, but that's not to say that a "visitor" didn't slip in there somewhere!, - same surname, but a nephew or niece for example.

Anything different from that, and you're in the realms of speculation, Make the parents 45 years old, and the younger kids could be grandchildren, and so on, and on ................ but see Caroline's post in terms of using other resources such as IGI.

Different surnames can be relatives or lodgers or boarders (hands up those who know the "census" difference

).

Note carefully the diagonal single and double ticks on the vertical line before the names (or is it after the names?, ...... can't recall for the moment).

The single tick denotes the end of a "household" group, while the double tick denotes the end of a house or dwelling place, i.e. there were often several, sometimes many household groups (defined by the submission of separate schedules) in the same dwelling place.

David

karenc · Post by **karenc** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:51 pm

thanks david that makes the mud a bit clearer!

Karen

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:04 pm

karenc wrote:thanks david that makes the mud a bit clearer!

Karen

Hi Karen

I carefully managed not to read the details of the 1841 census entry

This one has to be a classic in terms of the possible range of permutations and combinations of relationships

Without other evidence it's even uncertain if the 70 year old is the 90 year old's wife

If she is, which appears likely given the McCALL connection, then it's most likely that the others are either wains and grandwains .............. with the probability that daughters married a Mr MITCHELL and a Mr MCCRONE, - or maybe didnae marry

...... but the kids took that surnames of the faithers ...........

If she's not, - a sister for example?, - housekeeping for her brither, then it gets even more interesting

David