WILLIAM LAWRIE.....

margmo · Post by **margmo** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:43 am

ROBERT LAURIE married Catherine McCartney 16.10.1863 at New Lanark.
Parents names were given as WILLIAM LAURIE & AGNES SMITH. This couple married on 22.05.1840 at Carluke.

1851 Census-Blythbank Carluke
William Laurie 36 Farmer
ELIZABETH 48 WIFE
Andrew, Marion, James, Janet,William Smith-STEPCHILDREN
Robert LAURIE SON

1861 Census-Blythbank Carluke
William Laurie 47 Farmer
ELIZABETH 59
James,Janet Smith- STEPCHILDREN

Death certificate details for William Laurie
died 03.06.1870 age 55 Blythbank Carluke.
husband of ELIZABETH SMITH nee Cadzow
reg. by William Smith- WIFES son
Death certificate details of Elizabeth Smith (not LAURIE)
died 04.01.1886 age 83 Blythbank Carluke
WIDOW of William Smith (not William Laurie )
reg. by son William

I have looked for AGNES but she seems to have vanished.
The information on the death certificates is confusing.
I cant find a marraige cert. for William & Elizabeth so wonder if they were indeed married.

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JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:38 pm

Hello Margmo

You pose an interesting question and one that I'm not sure can be proved one way or the other...were they indeed married? Not only does William state his mother's name as SMITH and widow of only William SMITH....in 1871 census you'll find Elizabeth using the surname of SMITH (Just one year after the death of William LAURIE!!) She's also is still on the same property as farmer of 44 acres. And in 1881 here is William and family probably farming the very same property....

Dwelling: Blythbank
Census Place: Carluke, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203622 GRO Ref Volume 629 EnumDist 7 Page 13
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Wm. SMITH M 35 M Carluke, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Farmer Of 42 Acres Arable
Mary SMITH M 26 F Douglas, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Annie SMITH 3 F Carluke, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Elizabeth SMITH W 79 F Dunsyre, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Mother
Occ: Life Renter

which begs the question...who had the farm first??? Did Elizabeth and her first husband run it and then after his death William LAURIE came by....or did William Laurie first run it and then widow Elizabeth SMITH came by....hmmmm...right now I'm thinking it was the former!! Perhaps the 1841 census will show where each family was living. I think it was the farm that brought them together though....

Not much help...sorry!

Best wishes
Jean

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:26 pm

Hello Margmo

I always forget to check FreeCEN!

Here is William SMITH and Elizabeth and family in 1841

Piece: SCT1841/629 Place: Carluke-Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Carluke Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 5 Page: 10
Address: Blythbank

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Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SMITH William M 50 Farmer Lanarkshire
CADZOW Elisabeth F 35 Lanarkshire
SMITH Agnes F 15 Lanarkshire
SMITH John M 12 Lanarkshire
SMITH Andrew M 9 Lanarkshire
SMITH Marion F 6 Lanarkshire
SMITH James M 2 Lanarkshire

and right next door is a whole CADZOW family that just has to be related to Elizabeth....

Piece: SCT1841/629 Place: Carluke-Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Carluke Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 5 Page: 10
Address: Craghead

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Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
CADZOW William M 55 Farmer Lanarkshire
CADZOW Mary (Mrs) F 40 Lanarkshire
CADZOW William M 14 Lanarkshire
CADZOW Archibald M 10 Lanarkshire
CADZOW Thomas M 2 Lanarkshire
CADZOW Janet F 8 Lanarkshire
CADZOW Grizel F 6 Lanarkshire
CLEMENSTON Jane F 20 Female Servant Lanarkshire

but very oddly enough there is NOT a married couple William LAURIE and Agnes SMITH to be found! THere is however one William LAURIE....

Piece: SCT1841/629 Place: Carluke-Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Carluke Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 4 Page: 17
Address: Lauries Hall

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Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
LAURIE Robert M 60 Labourer Lanarkshire
LAURIE Jean F 65 Outside Census County (1841)
LAURIE William M 25 Lanarkshire
BROWN Elisabeth F 25 Lanarkshire

which doesn't reveal if he might be married or not!! The real problem being though....there is no Agnes SMITH or LAURIE save the 15 year old daughter of William and Elizabeth top of the page...

!!

I'm drawing no conclusions at all on this one......

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Hope this is in some small way helpful!
Jean

margmo · Post by **margmo** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:25 pm

thank you for taking the trouble to help solve this mystery.

i'm thinking now that the information given on william lauries death cert. was wrong and that he and elizabeth were never married
the 1841 census is williams parents - robert laurie and jean (nee scott )
on it it gives william aged 25 but no sign of AGNES
i have a copy of a marraige between william & agnes smith on 22.5.1840.
also on their son roberts marraige certificate it names them as his parents. so agnes definately existed.
will try to find a death certificate for her. have had the thought she may have died between 1840/1841 or failing that left her husband and child.

thanks again

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:02 pm

Hi Margmo

Do you happen to have a copy of the OPR 1840 marriage record or just what the IGI gives? I'm wondering if it might state any more info on Agnes....as in age....or father's name?? It might be worth the gamble to get a transcript of this if you don't have it already. Because Robert Laurie's age is given as 10 on the 1851 census it surely narrows up a small time window. You don't happen to know his exact date of birth? or even place of birth? I noticed the 1851 census seemed to omit this. Maybe Agnes and baby were out of Carluke when the 1841 census was taken....or maybe Robert had not been born yet and Agnes was still out of town. The complete 1841 census indexing soon to be released on SP may help.

Best wishes
Jean

margmo · Post by **margmo** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:10 am

hi JustJean

i have an extract of entries from the old parochial register. parish of Carluke. Lanark

William Laurie in this parish & Agnes Smith in the parish of West Calder. no objections were offered - names given in by Robert Laurie.
William Laurie & Agnes Smith were married on 22nd May 1840.

i have searched for their son Roberts birth certificate but have never found one. i do have his marraige certificate.
16th October 1863 at New Lanark
Robert Lawrie ,Tailor, bachelor, age 23 usual residence Whitburn. Father William Lawrie. Mother Agnes Lawrie ms Smith.(does not say deceased )

having studied the census records i agree with you that William Laurie moved into Blythbank and Eliz. Smith was the true owner.

thanks once again for your help
margmo

margmo · Post by **margmo** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:31 am

here i am yet again and think i may have found AGNES on the 1841 Census

Address Glenhuch - West Calder

SMITH Alexander 50 farmer
Agnes 52
AGNES 22
Alex 19
Helen 12
Eliz 11
LAWRIE Robert 9months

Post by **joette** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:23 am

I have one like this on the 1841 Census too my ancestors married in Eddlestone 1841 just before the Census.By the Census they are residing in Glencorse with her Father/StepMother & she is enumerated using her maiden name.If Husband hadn't been with her would have thought she had disappeared but no they had gone to visit?live with Dad.

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:17 pm

Well done Margmo!! $\:D/$ The West Calder hint from the OPR was the clue you needed!!! You've found your Agnes and baby!!!

The fact that Agnes is not listed as deceased on Robert's MC does leave open to speculation she may have left the family. It might be worthwhile to attempt to track her parents deaths or her siblings. Sometimes you get lucky and find someone as an informant.

As always....one mystery solved and another takes it's place!

Best wishes
Jean

margmo · Post by **margmo** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:57 am

How True-'one mystery solved & another takes its place'

thanks to you i have tracked down William living with Elizabeth Smith at Blythbank West Calder but now i'd like to know what happened to his ABANDONED wife Agnes Smith.

i have records of their marraige and she appears on the 1841 & 1851 census at Glenhutch West Calder but has dissapeared with all her family on the 1861 census.

i have searched for her death certificate under both laurie & smith and not found her
has anyone any ideas as to what my next move should be OR should i just give up

regards
margmo