William Brown, Cabinet maker, Glasgow.....

[Pat Bostock]

Hi,

I wonder whether anyone is researching William Brown, Glasgow, who married Janet Cargin, in Lanark, in 1853.

They had 3 children I know of:

Regent Place, U.P. Church, Blackfriars.

Margaret Ferguson Brown: born 21 Oct. 1852.
William Brown: born: 21 Sept. 1854. Barony.
& a John Brown was the informant on Janet Brown's death - (son).

Janet Brown (nee Cargin) died in 1908 in Glasgow.

Also, can anyone tell me what does U.P. Church mean?

Thanks.
Pat Bostock.

[CatrionaL]

Hi,

Also, can anyone tell me what does U.P. Church mean?

Thanks.
Pat Bostock.

Hi Pat

United Presbyterian Church.

Regards

Catriona

[Jack]

Hi Pat,
I'm not sure if you have these other children by now. They are mainly from the IGI (International Genealogical Index).
You do get the feeling there should've been a child born in 1856; but maybe Janet had some birth problems in that year.
(all 10 children have William BROWN as father, and the first 3 have mother as Janet CARGIN; on the other 7 it's McCARGIN)
==
MARGRET FERGUSON BROWN - Birth 31 Oct 1852; Christening: 15 NOV 1853 Regent Place United, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
WILLIAM BROWN - Birth 21 Sep 1854; Christening: 5 Nov 1854 Regent Place United, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
MATTHEW MARSHALL BROWN - Birth: 26 AUG 1858 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
JESSIE MCCALLUM BROWN - Birth: 20 APR 1860 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
AGNES MARSHALL BROWN - Birth: 01 APR 1863 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
JOHN BROWN - Birth: 01 JUL 1865 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
MARY FINDLAY BROWN - Birth: 28 MAY 1867 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
GEORGINA JEMIMA BROWN - Birth: 27 JUN 1869 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
JAMES BROWN - Birth: 15 SEP 1870 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
ROBERT ALISON BROWN - Birth: 11 FEB 1873 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
==
I know you now have this census which names 7 of the children.
1881 Census Place: Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: 59 Garscube Rd
Source: FHL Film 0203656 GRO Ref Volume 644-8 EnumDist 15 Page 13
Janet BROWN W 51 F Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head
Margaret BROWN U 28 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Milliner
William BROWN U 26 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Commercial Clerk American Produce
Jessie BROWN U 20 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Dressmaker
John BROWN U 16 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Apprentice (Woolen Trade)
Georgina BROWN 11 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
James BROWN 10 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Robert BROWN 8 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
==
Brown can be a rather difficult name to search, especially so with those popular forenames!
(you can only hope that those who do have middle names have them on their MCs or DCs)
Jack

[Pat Bostock]

Hullo,

Thank you so much for the information about William Brown's family - I am very impressed with your knowledge. I have tried to find something about the Browns for years, but with limited success.

You have put me forward with my research enormously.

Sincerely,
Pat Bostock.

[Jack]

Hi Pat,
Some earlier censuses - it would seem wee Matthew born 1858 has probably died young.
But plenty of his siblings for you to trace...
--
1861 cens 644-7 Ed 49 p 11 (St. George - Milton)
23 Garscube Road.
William BROWN, head, marr, 33, joiner, b Paisley, RFW
Janet BROWN, wife, marr, 32, ------------b Paisley, RFW
Margaret Ferguson BROWN, daur, 8, ----b Glasgow, LKS
William BROWN, son, 6, ----------------------b Glasgow, LKS
Jessie McCallum BROWN, daur, 11mos, ----b Glasgow, LKS
Dugald DRUMMOND, boarder, u/m 21, iron? engineer, b Ardrossan, AYR
&
1871 cens 644-7 Ed 14 p 16 (St George)
21 Garscube Road.
William BROWN, head, marr, 43, mchl? pattern maker, b Paisley, RFW
Janet BROWN, wife, marr, 42, -------------------b Paisley, RFW
Maggie BROWN, daur, u/m 18, shopkeeper, b Glasgow, LKS
Wm. BROWN, son, 16, clerk, b Glasgow, LKS
Jessie BROWN, daur, 10, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Agnes BROWN, daur, 8, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
John BROWN, son, 5, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Mary BROWN, daur, 3, ---------b Glasgow, LKS
Georgina BROWN, daur, 1, ---b Glasgow, LKS
James BROWN, son, 6mos, ---b Glasgow, LKS
Helen JARVIE?, servant, u/m 18, domestic servant, b Netherwood, LKS
--
Jack

[Pat Bostock]

Hi Jack,

Once again, thank you so very much for your great help.

Janet Cargin, William Brown's wife, was my gt. grandfather's only sister, he was James Ferguson Cargin & left Scotland in 1850, joining the Hon. East India Co.'s army & being stationed in Agra. He was in the Indian Mutiny, & named his 1st daughter Janet - unfortunately 3 of his first 4 babies died young, and later he named another daughter Janet.

So it was a wonderful result, especially as I can now take all this wonderful information to show my mother, who is 91 & so very interested in her family tree.

Sincerely,
Pat Bostock.

[Pat Bostock]

Hi,

Just thought I would add that one of their children is named Agnes Marshall Brown. Janet Cargin's father, Matthew Cargin, married for a second time to Agnes Marshall in Glasgow & then they went to Victoria, Australia.

Margaret Ferguson Brown is named after Janet Cargin's mother (1st marriage).

The second names are great clues.

Kind regards,
Pat Bostock.