I've come to a complete halt before my research has gotten off the ground. Can someone please do a couple of lookups for me?
Looking for a birth Christina (or close that spelling) born in DEcember 1882 in Dundee Scotland or close to that month. I don't have a last name which is my predicatment, and what I'm trying to find out. Basically a needle in a haystack.
Thank you in Advance,
Jeff
ARghhh.....
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LesleyB
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Hi Jeff
...and a warm welcome to Talking Scot
As I guess you are aware, it is not possible to search the Scotlands People web site without a surname, (we are all in the same boat with that one!) so you may need to come at this from another angle.
Can you tell us how you arrived at Christina and what you know so far, then maybe we will be able to help. Do you know who she married for instance? Her marriage document which will be available on Scotland People should give her surname.... if, of course, she married in Scotland.
best wishes
Lesley
...and a warm welcome to Talking Scot
As I guess you are aware, it is not possible to search the Scotlands People web site without a surname, (we are all in the same boat with that one!) so you may need to come at this from another angle.
Can you tell us how you arrived at Christina and what you know so far, then maybe we will be able to help. Do you know who she married for instance? Her marriage document which will be available on Scotland People should give her surname.... if, of course, she married in Scotland.
best wishes
Lesley
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AndrewP
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Hi Jeff,
Welcome to TalkingScot. You have a tricky one to resolve. A first name, no surname, a location (approximate?) and an approximate date.
Do you know for sure that the birth was in Dundee city? If yes, then that gives you 5 registration districts at that time: St.Peter 282/1, St.Mary 282/2, St.Clement 282/3, St.Andrew 282/4 and Lochee 282/5. Then there is the issue, being a December birth, it could have been registered in December 1882 or January 1883.
So that gives 10 potential books of birth certificates to be looking in. If you can get someone to do some research in New Register House, Edinburgh for you, they can go to each of these districts for each of these years and look up the index which can be found on the last microfiche for each of these, and look for each Christian, Christina, or similar, then check these for December births. Even then, I would think you will be down to a small number of birth certificates. So I hope you have some other nugget of information, such as a parent's name, a street name or something to narrow the field down.
All the best,
AndrewP
Welcome to TalkingScot. You have a tricky one to resolve. A first name, no surname, a location (approximate?) and an approximate date.
Do you know for sure that the birth was in Dundee city? If yes, then that gives you 5 registration districts at that time: St.Peter 282/1, St.Mary 282/2, St.Clement 282/3, St.Andrew 282/4 and Lochee 282/5. Then there is the issue, being a December birth, it could have been registered in December 1882 or January 1883.
So that gives 10 potential books of birth certificates to be looking in. If you can get someone to do some research in New Register House, Edinburgh for you, they can go to each of these districts for each of these years and look up the index which can be found on the last microfiche for each of these, and look for each Christian, Christina, or similar, then check these for December births. Even then, I would think you will be down to a small number of birth certificates. So I hope you have some other nugget of information, such as a parent's name, a street name or something to narrow the field down.
All the best,
AndrewP
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jeffwil
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well hmm
The only last name besides Ashton (her married name) is a Johanson or a Johnson but that might be another married name as she was married twice??
She had my grandmother (probably an illegimate birth), around 1898-1906), which also paints another picture.
Does this help at all?
Jeff
She married an Alfred Ashton born 1885 in Lancashire. Not sure where she married him possibly in Canada.
She had my grandmother (probably an illegimate birth), around 1898-1906), which also paints another picture.
Does this help at all?
Jeff
She married an Alfred Ashton born 1885 in Lancashire. Not sure where she married him possibly in Canada.
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ninatoo
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Hi and welcome Jeff,
What was your granny's maiden name? If she was illigitimate, the mother may have used her own maiden surname for the birth. And do you have Christina's marriage certificate?
Nina
What was your granny's maiden name? If she was illigitimate, the mother may have used her own maiden surname for the birth. And do you have Christina's marriage certificate?
Nina
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JustJean
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Hi Jeff
Ok...let me make sure I've got all the facts straight first.....
Christina was born about Dec 1882. I'm assuming you're figuring this backwards from some sort of documentation you possess.....mind sharing how you arrived at this date?
Christina may have been married twice. First time unknown place and person? Second time to Alfred Aston likely in Canada.
Christina was the mother of your grandmother who was born about 1898-1906. Since you think she was illegitimate that means Christina and Alfred did not marry until after 1906???
Have you checked for a death certificate in Canada or wherever she died for Christina??? It might state parents names.
And now I've done a silly thing that will leave us all wondering.......since I think your stated approx birth is just that...an approx date. And the year previous to 1882 being a census year only makes me very curious to see what Johnson and variables might be living in Dundee that year. I looked for a Christina that might have been born in 1881 instead of 1882. There was only one....
Dwelling: 29 Overgate
Census Place: Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203483 GRO Ref Volume 282-3 EnumDist 5 Page 21
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
William JOHNSTONE M 34 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Iron Work Labourer
Euphemia JOHNSTONE M 30 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Jessie JOHNSTONE 9 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Agnes JOHNSTONE 8 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Margt. JOHNSTONE 5 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Christina JOHNSTONE 1 m F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Daur
If you were up to a real challenge you could try and trace this wee Christina forward to see what becomes of her and her family. Stranger things have happened around here...................
In the meantime if you think of any further bits or clues that could help pin her down please post them!!
Best wishes
Jean
Ok...let me make sure I've got all the facts straight first.....
Christina was born about Dec 1882. I'm assuming you're figuring this backwards from some sort of documentation you possess.....mind sharing how you arrived at this date?
Christina may have been married twice. First time unknown place and person? Second time to Alfred Aston likely in Canada.
Christina was the mother of your grandmother who was born about 1898-1906. Since you think she was illegitimate that means Christina and Alfred did not marry until after 1906???
Have you checked for a death certificate in Canada or wherever she died for Christina??? It might state parents names.
And now I've done a silly thing that will leave us all wondering.......since I think your stated approx birth is just that...an approx date. And the year previous to 1882 being a census year only makes me very curious to see what Johnson and variables might be living in Dundee that year. I looked for a Christina that might have been born in 1881 instead of 1882. There was only one....
Dwelling: 29 Overgate
Census Place: Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203483 GRO Ref Volume 282-3 EnumDist 5 Page 21
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
William JOHNSTONE M 34 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Iron Work Labourer
Euphemia JOHNSTONE M 30 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Jessie JOHNSTONE 9 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Agnes JOHNSTONE 8 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Margt. JOHNSTONE 5 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Christina JOHNSTONE 1 m F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Daur
If you were up to a real challenge you could try and trace this wee Christina forward to see what becomes of her and her family. Stranger things have happened around here...................
In the meantime if you think of any further bits or clues that could help pin her down please post them!!
Best wishes
Jean
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jeffwil
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Hey Jean,
Ok...let me make sure I've got all the facts straight first.....
Christina was born about Dec 1882. I'm assuming you're figuring this backwards from some sort of documentation you possess.....mind sharing how you arrived at this date?
Well the date could either be 1882 or 1881. In her obituary here it states the year as 1882, on the census record (the only one close to that lines up with the proper dates) it says December 1882. MInd you it's the only fit I can find where they were stationed here. There is an index here for vital statistics but the marriage part is not listed. Once that is on the index I'll be better know whether they were married (Alfred and Christina) here or in England/Scotland.
Christina may have been married twice. First time unknown place and person? Second time to Alfred Aston likely in Canada.
Christina was the mother of your grandmother who was born about 1898-1906. Since you think she was illegitimate that means Christina and Alfred did not marry until after 1906???
From what my dad has said...it was an abandonment case...so who knows. My gut says it's the other father not Alfred.
Have you checked for a death certificate in Canada or wherever she died for Christina??? It might state parents names.
I will do that at a later date, right now my wife is due in July which has tied up the money until then. But yes I did think of that and possibly her natuarlization here in CAnada may prove something as well.
And now I've done a silly thing that will leave us all wondering.......since I think your stated approx birth is just that...an approx date. And the year previous to 1882 being a census year only makes me very curious to see what Johnson and variables might be living in Dundee that year. I looked for a Christina that might have been born in 1881 instead of 1882. There was only one....
It all leads to more questions than answers, it must be a well thought out family secret. I've been able to find relatives living here but they aren't willing to share any information that would help me.
Thanks again,
Jeff
Ok...let me make sure I've got all the facts straight first.....
Christina was born about Dec 1882. I'm assuming you're figuring this backwards from some sort of documentation you possess.....mind sharing how you arrived at this date?
Well the date could either be 1882 or 1881. In her obituary here it states the year as 1882, on the census record (the only one close to that lines up with the proper dates) it says December 1882. MInd you it's the only fit I can find where they were stationed here. There is an index here for vital statistics but the marriage part is not listed. Once that is on the index I'll be better know whether they were married (Alfred and Christina) here or in England/Scotland.
Christina may have been married twice. First time unknown place and person? Second time to Alfred Aston likely in Canada.
Christina was the mother of your grandmother who was born about 1898-1906. Since you think she was illegitimate that means Christina and Alfred did not marry until after 1906???
From what my dad has said...it was an abandonment case...so who knows. My gut says it's the other father not Alfred.
Have you checked for a death certificate in Canada or wherever she died for Christina??? It might state parents names.
I will do that at a later date, right now my wife is due in July which has tied up the money until then. But yes I did think of that and possibly her natuarlization here in CAnada may prove something as well.
And now I've done a silly thing that will leave us all wondering.......since I think your stated approx birth is just that...an approx date. And the year previous to 1882 being a census year only makes me very curious to see what Johnson and variables might be living in Dundee that year. I looked for a Christina that might have been born in 1881 instead of 1882. There was only one....
It all leads to more questions than answers, it must be a well thought out family secret. I've been able to find relatives living here but they aren't willing to share any information that would help me.
Thanks again,
Jeff
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JustJean
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Hi again Jeff
Hmmm.....so your grandmother then wasn't raised by Christina and Alfred? But your grandmother was raised in Canada?? So she was probably born in Canada?? Is this what you're thinking???
I do hope you're able to obtain a Marriage or Death certificate that can shed some more light here.
There are also several members on TalkingScot from Canada that might even be able to lend you a hand. Don't hesitate to ask as you never know what sort of expert help you might receive!!
In the meantime....Our best wishes to you and your expectant wife This could be our second TalkingScot baby...hear that everyone??!! 
=D>
Best wishes
Jean
Hmmm.....so your grandmother then wasn't raised by Christina and Alfred? But your grandmother was raised in Canada?? So she was probably born in Canada?? Is this what you're thinking???
I do hope you're able to obtain a Marriage or Death certificate that can shed some more light here.
There are also several members on TalkingScot from Canada that might even be able to lend you a hand. Don't hesitate to ask as you never know what sort of expert help you might receive!!
In the meantime....Our best wishes to you and your expectant wife
This could be our second TalkingScot baby...hear that everyone??!! =D> Best wishes
Jean
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jeffwil
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AShton's etc.
JustJean wrote:Hi again Jeff
Hmmm.....so your grandmother then wasn't raised by Christina and Alfred? But your grandmother was raised in Canada?? So she was probably born in Canada?? Is this what you're thinking???
No my grandmother was raised in England/Scotland. She didn't come over to Canada until 1947. She listed a C.Ashton as her mother living in Ontario, which is where this fiasco all came from
I do hope you're able to obtain a Marriage or Death certificate that can shed some more light here.
That's true...but it's unfornuate that none of the family here are willing to help out. Oh well I've met resistance in my research before nothing new.
There are also several members on TalkingScot from Canada that might even be able to lend you a hand. Don't hesitate to ask as you never know what sort of expert help you might receive!!
In the meantime....Our best wishes to you and your expectant wife
Best wishes
Jean