Passenger Lists from Ireland to Scotland .....

Hunter-G · Post by **Hunter-G** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:21 pm

HI:
I hope this isn't a silly question.
Are there any sources of passenger lists that could be searched of individuals arriving in Glasgow from Ireland? post 1850 - 1975?

Post by **emanday** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:59 pm

Gosh, Hunter-G,

I'd be the first in a very long line of folk wanting to search such a thing. As Northern Ireland is part of the UK, and regular ferries run back and forth, I doubt there is anything like that, unless the ferry operators kept a list of names of booked tickets. However, travellers from Southern Ireland would be "coming into" the UK. Never though about them maybe being documented.

Hopefully someone else with knowledge of these things will be along soon to enlighten us both.

Post by **SarahND** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:21 pm

Hi Hunter-G,
Welcome to Talking Scot!! I would give a great deal for such records pre-1850... Never thought of it before, but please [-o< let there be records!!!

I'm afraid you're probably right though, Mary. Since they weren't changing countries, the Northern Ireland ferries probably weren't documented. But it's an interesting thought about the Southern ones...

Regards,
Sarah

tishgibbons · Post by **tishgibbons** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:33 pm

Yeah but the 'Southern' ones wouldn't be 'coming into the UK' until after 1922!!!!!

Tish

Hunter-G · Post by **Hunter-G** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:29 pm

Thanks everyone, that's why I thought it was a silly question.

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:48 pm

Not a silly question at all

In fact very few questions are silly on here.

You have highlighted an aspect of Ireland's chequered history that is too often forgotten.
After 1922 many from the south took the train north and simply boarded a ferry over to Liverpool or Stranraer.

Mmmhh

Now I'll need to go and refresh my Irish history. Now where did I put that book

Russell

Post by **emanday** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:20 am

Russell wrote:Not a silly question at all

In fact very few questions are silly on here.

You have highlighted an aspect of Ireland's chequered history that is too often forgotten.
After 1922 many from the south took the train north and simply boarded a ferry over to Liverpool or Stranraer.

Mmmhh Now I'll need to go and refresh my Irish history. Now where did I put that book

Russell

There you go, Hunter-G

What you though was a silly question has, as many questions do in this forum, got us all googling and researching like mad!

I hope you realise that if any of us find any such records you will be feted by all and sundry for your clever insight

Post by **AndrewP** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:22 am

Following the Act of Union in 1800, Ireland joined Great Britain in 1801, which in total became the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. At that time, the red diagonal cross flag of St Patrick was added into the Union Flag.

Mostly in Ireland, not all were agreeable to this union. Various acts of warfare led to the formation of the Irish Free State in 1922 (Irish Free State 1922-1937, Éire 1937-1949, and Republic of Ireland 1949 onwards). The six counties that remained with Great Britain then became Northern Ireland, and hence the UK's full title became the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as it remains today.

So I would take it that no migration paperwork was needed for people travelling between Ireland and Great Britain from 1801 to 1922. This of course includes the famine years in the 1840s and 1850s when there was large scale migration from Ireland to Great Britain (all within the UK) and hence few (no?) records are there to show us when our ancestors crossed the Irish Sea.

If you find yourself in Dublin, there is a great display of Irish history, particularly the famine years and the first quarter of the 20th century in Kilmainham Jail, now a museum. Many of the political figures who took part in the 1916 Easter Rising were arrested and jailed there, and subsequently executed there. The exhibition stays impartial to the various political and religious divides that have troubled Ireland over the years.

All the best,

AndrewP