Missing Dyers.....

[heymarky]

Sorry that this is a bit long winded... but here we go.

My Dyers immigrated to the United States from Scotland in the 1850s.

A bio written in 1882 of my great-great-uncle, James Dyer says that his parents names were Robert and Isabell (McBean) Dyer" and that "there was a family of seven children, two sons and five daughters."

I've found IGI records for all of the children, except (of course) for my GreatGreatGrandfather, Hugh (see below)

In 1841 census, Robert and Isabella are living with James, Hugh, Isabella, Marion and Eliza on Havannah Street in Glasgow. No Rebeccas.

In 1851 census, James, Hugh and Isabella (of Perth) are all living with their Mother's Mother, Isabella Reid at 10 Tomnahurich Street, Inverness. They are next door to their uncle, Hugh McBean.

James, Hugh, and Isabella all came to the United States.

James' bio also says he, "In 1840, left for the United States in a sailing vessel, which was foundered, and he was supposed to have been lost." It goes on to say that he came to the States in 1852 and on to the state of Iowa in 1854.

Does anyone have any advice on how I might go about finding out what happened to the rest of the family?

My current guess is that the bio is off on the date of the failed voyage and that the entire family left sometime after the 1841 census and that only James, Hugh and Isabella survived to go live with their grandmother.

Thanks in advance for any help/pointers/advice!

Mark Dyer, California, USA



FROM IGI:

JAMES DYER - 09 FEB 1832 - Inverness, Inverness
REBECKA DYER - 10 NOV 1835 - Old Machar, Aberdeen
REBECCA REID DYER - 09 AUG 1837 - Beith, Ayr
ISABELLA DYER - 16 Sep 1838 - Perth, Perth
MARION LOGAN GEORGINA DYER - 02 APR 1841 - Glasgow, Lanark
ELIZA SCOTT ROBINA DYER - 02 APR 1841 - Glasgow, Lanark
In all of these records with various spellings of mother's name, the father Robert Dyer, always gives his occupation as 'currier' - which I'm told has to do with the tanning of leather.

1851 census gives Hugh's birthplace as Aberdeen, and his death certificate gives his date of birth as 17 Jan, 1834.

[heymarky]

May have found a new great-uncle, or maybe even ggg-grampa Dyer himself.

Noticed that I could search SRI Deaths with mother's maiden name (has that always been there?). Had a few credits burning a hole in my pocket, so I put in Dyer w/mother's maiden name Logan and bingo I got a hit!

Fully expecting to be disappointed, I looked at the image and, by golly, it's one of mine! I know that James Dyer (aka Dyet) Sr was a 'currier', so I am confident that these are the James and Marion Dyer that I decend from.

The document is witnessed by his sister-in-law. I think her name is Charlotte. Can anyone make out the surname (and confirm my guess of the forename)

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1078

Guess now I need to start rummaging around in 1851 census to see if I can find him...

From the info on form, he was born about 1805... right between two sons of James and Marion that I knew about.

[Russell]

Hi Mark

Yes - first name Charlotte but surname a bit of a problem.

My best guess would be Leckie but I can't see another K anywhere for comparison.
It's not the most common surname but I have come across a couple of families in East Lothian with that surname.

Poor James, If he had Emphysema for 12 years its surprising that he could manage a nightwatchman job. Maybe he should have had some of the Laudenum the lady above him took

Russell

[PaulaD]

My best guess would be Leckie but I can't see another K anywhere for comparison.

How about the "k" in undertaker
Looks like Leckie to me too.

Paula

[heymarky]

Now if I can find a Charlotte who married a Leckie, I might learn James' wife's maiden name... Isn't this fun?

Mind you, I'm pretty excited to stumble on someone with an uncommon name.

1851 Census isn't being very cooperative...

[Russell]

Hi Mark

Could be an expensive search. There are 573 people with the Leckie surname in the 1851 census.

I tried a surname search on IGI and had to filter through around 100 marriages but could not find a Leckie marrying a Charlotte.

When you're searching keep in mind the variant spellings
Lecky/Laiky/Lakie/Lackie/Lickie and possibly others like Lakey/Lackey

On SP try L*K*. Be prepared for some other names to come up which this wildcard combination will cover e.g. - Lanark, Lapraik. To eliminate them put in an 'r' and 'search' again, then try with a 'p' to see how the number changes.

Its fun but can be frustrating at times.
We are here to preserve your sanity. When you feel like screaming tell us all you have tried and some of the more outrageous minds here will come up with an option you hadn't even thought of.

Russell

[heymarky]

Oops.

My 1851 census search is for the James Dyer that died. I was hoping to find him with his wife and from there look for marriage and children. (And a better shot at sorting Charlotte out) Hey! Charlotte is probably in the SRI Death... Got it narrowed down to a pageful... Now to look for Dyer's married to some of those maiden names...

Halfway expected to find him with a different given name keying on age, but no joy there (yet) either.

You have saved me the IGI search for Charlotte (but I will probably have a go at it anyway)

I do use wildcards alot, but I like the technique for eliminating know false positives.

I also put all of my previous search results into a relational database so that I can do more creative searching. Does that qualify as outrageous?

[karenmcc]

Hi Mark,

Found on the IGI Charlotte LECKIE b 1865 High Church, John Ann LECKIE b 1863 Clyde, Gasgow and Joanna LECKIE b 1865 Clyde, Glasgow all with parents John LECKIE and Charlotte BERRY. There is no marriage showing for this couple on the IGI.

Karen McCubbin

[Jack]

Hi Mark,
This James below is a very wild guess for the James DYER who died in 1857.
The DC of what looks like this James' brother George may help?
But seems they were both born in Ayrshire....
The only reason i mention all this is because of the
John LECKIE & Charlotte BERRIE/BERRY at the bottom of this page.
Seems there is a lot of goings on in both the families.....
--
JAMES DYER
ANN BERRY
Marriage: 09 JUL 1837 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
--
1841 census 644-1 Ed 6 p 4 (Outer High / St Pauls)
High Street.
James DYER, 35, Hand Loom Weaver, b LKS
Ann DYER, 25, ------------------------------b LKS
Margaret DYER, 3, -------------------------b LKS
John HARRIE, 45, Hand Loom Weaver, b LKS [possibly is HARVIE?]
Isabella HARRIE, 40, Winder, b LKS
Archd. HARRIE, 10, Labourer, b LKS
Margaret HARRIE, 2mos, -----b LKS
--
1851 census 644-1 (570) Ed 5 p 18 (St James)
9 Great Dowhill....[same address as John Leckie in 1861]
James DYER, head, 41, Night Police Constable, b Kilwinning, AYR [would this occup fit the 1857 DC?]
Ann DYER, wife 32, ---------------------------b ? Ireland ?
Mary DYER, daur, 13, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
George DYER, son, 10, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
David DYER, son, 3, -------------b Glasgow, LKS
Henry DYER, son, 1, -----------b Glasgow, LKS
--
1861 census 644-10 Ed 79 p 4 (Hutchesontown)
3 Salisbury Street.
George DYER, head, 48, Labourer in Ship Yard, b Girvan, AYR
Annie DYER, wife, 43, ---------------------------b Glasgow
George DYER, nephew, 18, Hammerman, b Glasgow
David DYER, nephew, 12, Rivet Boy or Heater, b Glasgow
Robert DYER, nephew, 8, scholar, b Glasgow
====
John LECKIE & Charlotte BERRIE / BERRY.
Three children in Statutory Records - there will be more, but IGI is really playing up tonight to find out.
I've been trying for hours!
--
CHARLOTTE LECKIE - Birth: 04 APR 1860 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland [mother BERRIE]
JOHN ANN LECKIE - Female Birth: 30 JAN 1863 Clyde, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland [mother BERRY]
JOANNA LECKIE - Birth: 31 JUL 1865 Clyde, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland [mother BERRIE]
--
1841 census 644-2 Ed 90 p 12 (Hutchesontown)
Rutherglen Loan.
John LECKIE, 27, Cotton Spinner, b LKS
Mary LECKIE, 20, --------------------b Ireland [looks to have died young?]
William LECKIE, 3mos, --------------b LKS
--
1851 census 644-1 (558) Ed 7 p 25 (College or Blackfriars)
59 New Vennell.
John JAMES, head, 36, Cotton Spinner, b Glasgow, LKS [but shd be LECKIE / LOCKIE ??]
William LOCKIE, son, 12, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Ann LOCKIE, daur, 9, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Charlotte BARRIE, lodger, 24, Washing Woman, b Ireland [previously married to a Mr Keith?]
Jane KEITH, daur, 15?, scholar, b Glasgow [index i have has age as 4....]
James KEITH, son, 8mos, ------b Glasgow, LKS
--
1861 census 644-2 Ed 65 p 6 (High)
9 Great Dovehill.....[same address as James Dyer in 1851]
John LECKIE, head, 44, Box Maker, b Govan Parish
Charlotte LECKIE, wife, 33, ------------ b Govan Parish
William LECKIE, 18, son, Iron Moulder, b Glasgow, LKS
Jane LECKIE, daur, 12, Weaver Cotton Mill, b Glasgow, LKS
James LECKIE, son, 10, Tobacco Worker, b Glasgow, LKS
Mary LECKIE, daur, 7, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Elizabeth LECKIE, daur, 5, -----b Glasgow, LKS
Ann LECKIE, daur, 3, -----------b Glasgow, LKS
Charlotte LECKIE, daur, 1, ---b Glasgow, LKS
Mary LECKIE, lodger, 70, ----b Ireland
==
You'd need to do a lot of checking to unravel it all....!
But please remember that the above may very well be one rather large red herring....
Jack
ps - censuses are from Ancestry, which for some odd reason don't give the much needed marital status.
But they will be seen on the SP images.
pps - good, i see Karen has found Charlotte too.
--

[heymarky]

I was just looking at Ann (Berry) Dyer's death cert when I noticed your message!

Great minds and all that! And I also got there via the Charlotte Berry Leckie connection...


Oooh! Now I look more closely at your message... I'm expecting my James Dyer to have a brother George. (But the George I was expecting should have been born about 1808... but in Girvan, Ayrshire which matches...)

Ann's DC is reported by her daughter Mary... and there she is in the census.

Thanks this is great!

I'm taking my family up to Lake Tahoe (no snow here, 3 yr old twin boys enjoy it) for the weekend, so I might not be able to start really digging in til next week sometime!

Thanks again!