the henderson clan.....

katie6515 · Post by **katie6515** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:10 am

Hi, i am trying to help my mum get started with her mum side of her family the henderson, we cant find a death for her grandad william henderson he married her granny hannah groom in 1898, she went on to divorce him then married edward byrne, we know william was alive in edinburgh in 1920 as he sighned his mum death cert (isabella hepburn). when we went to registered house we found kids for them my granny isabella cormack hepburn henderson was born in 1898, hannah henderson born in 1903 then their was a fredrick groom henderson born 1901, then we have thomasina henderson but it states on her birth cert that william henderson is not her father and they have not lived together since 1904. maybe some one looking at it with fresh eyes could help. thanks debra

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:51 pm

Hi Debra

A couple of questions first.....when you went to New Register House did you search there for a death for William? Because the online records (for deaths) end with 1956 and I figure William would have been in his upper 70's then is it possible he survived beyond 1956? The only way to search in those current records is at NRH or Park Circus through the inhouse databases there. Another enormous help would be the recording of his mum's maiden name on the death entry indexing. The online records are not complete in this regard even though the search criteria for that has been addded. That said I've had a look around and there are way too many William's to view online if he happened to die outside of Edinburgh.

Now to change tactic....if you want to move his line backward and learn the earlier generations there is nothing preventing this from easily happening! You have his parent's names from his MC. A search on them quickly finds their own MC on which is yet another set of parents names.

I can understand your wanting to find his death and learn perhaps more about the man but sometimes dropping what is not easily found in favor of what is will move you into the family tree and sometimes provide further clues that eventually will help you solve what you dropped. Does this make sense?

Hope so

It looks like this might be your William as a child with his parents and siblings on the 1881 census but I haven't verified it yet....what do you think?

Best wishes
Jean

Dwelling: 9 Queens Place
Census Place: Edinburgh Greenside, Edinburgh, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0223995 GRO Ref Volume 685-2 EnumDist 9 Page 4
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
William HENDERSON M 30 M Auldearn, Nairn, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Mason
Isabella HENDERSON M 33 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Ann HENDERSON 5 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Daur
William HENDERSON 4 M Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Son
Isabella HENDERSON 2 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Daur
John HENDERSON 8 m M Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Son

katie6515 · Post by **katie6515** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:01 am

Thanks for your help jean, i checked their births but they were not who i was looking for. we will keep on trying. thanks again debra

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:53 pm

Hi Debra

I've double checked pretty fiercely here and I'm quite sure the family I listed from the 1881 census is indeed your William Henderson and Isabella Hepburn with their son William who grew up and eventually married Hannah Groom. This is the indexing of his birth:

1877 HENDERSON WILLIAM M ST ANDREW EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/02 0267

I know I wasn't able to pinpoint a death for this William and also realize that was the real nature of your question....but I was trying to assist you to get back another generation or even several in his line. It's quite an interesting family trail with this particular Henderson lot originating in Nairn. At the time of the 1881 census William Sr's mother who is stated as Barbara Ross on his MC is also found in Edinburgh with her 2nd husband. This is her:

Dwelling: 9 Queens Place
Census Place: Edinburgh Greenside, Edinburgh, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0223995 GRO Ref Volume 685-2 EnumDist 9 Page 4
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Donald MC INTOSH M 38 M Arclach, Nairn, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Labourer (General)
Barbara MC INTOSH M 54 F Kinloss, Elgin, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Daniel MC INTOSH 13 M Forres, Elgin, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
George MC INTOSH 12 M Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Grandson
Occ: Scholar

Hope this is of some help for you.

Best wishes
Jean

katie6515 · Post by **katie6515** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:11 am

Hi, Jean It has been a hard trail, adoption seems to be a big part of the family as well, and they all seemed to of married 2 or 3 times. i think my mum thinks if she found her grandad death it would get easier to try and find a threasea henderson that her cousin can remember as a child, she thought it could of been a child from a second marriage but so far we have come up empty. she has got that william snr mother was barbara ross, thanks again for all your help as we are going round in circles. debra

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:27 pm

Hi Debra

Well it may be very possible to track down the remembered Threasea but it might not be possible through the online records. Since William and Hannah had their children just about the cut-off dates for online closure periods. if William married or fathered additional children their births might only be found through accessing New Register House or Park Circus in person. I can't be certain of this.

On the other hand there is one marriage of a Theresa Charlotte Simpson Handerson found online in 1926 St. Giles. Her father is stated as Henry Henderson. A search for the father's MC show's that in turn his father had also been a Henry Henderson. It doesn't immediately appear to me that she would be connected to your line. Perhaps there are other Theresa's out there. Or even have you considered that your cousin's memory may have crossed up Thomasina and THeresa as names??? Who was theThomasina you mentioned and when and where was she born? Also was the memory of Theresa of her as a child or was she a grown woman and married to a Henderson so that her mn was something other??

Best wishes
Jean

katie6515 · Post by **katie6515** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:44 pm

Thank you jean for all your help, you were right about the information that you sent at first, i was wrong sorry, you have gave my mum plenty to look into and will keep her busy, as i far as my mum cousin remember theresa was a small child that all they have on her. thanks again from both of us debra