Help please - Adam Patterson Moffat McAllister - where is he

[Jockbird]

Morning all,

I've got a chappy here who I'm now stuck with.

When I saw that the 1891 was on Ancestry I thought 'hurrah' I might find his name indexed there....nope.

I have his birth, 13 February 1862, born to Robert McAllister & Isabella Paterson Wilson, then of Suffolk Street, Glasgow.

He's with the family in 1871 at 148 West Nile Street.

In 1881 he's now a scene painter but still living with the family at 148 West Nile Street.

After that I lose him. Unless I'm missing the bl**ding obvious, which my husband tells me is normally my specialist subject he's gone.

I've put in the wildcard of Ad M*al*ster with no birth, tick boxed unrecorded ages and allowed for deaths between 1855 and 1956 and only 6 are returned, none of which are him.

Can anyone help me, please? It's one of those annoying ones that begins to haunt you. Perhaps his scene painting took him somewhere interesting.....or perhaps he was just painting the background at the Citizens!

Thanks in advance.

Best wishes
Donna
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[AndrewP]

Hi Donna,

Start with a search for Isabella's death, using her married and maiden surname and you will find her before the 1891 census. In the 1891 census, he is at the same address that Isabella died at. Search for the son (leave out the middle name as the spelling is inconsistent) shown as a 7-year-old on the 1881 census to find him easily in 1891 in the same registration district as Isabella's death was registered in.

There's no sign of him in the 1901 census, so using his age given in 1891, an approximate birth year can be established. So go to the death search on SP and look for him between 1891 and 1901 with that birth year ± 5 years and you will get only a handful of results. On selecting the one in the same registration district as Isabella's death and the family entry in the 1891 census you will find him. His occupation is consistent on his wife's death certificate, the 1891 census and his own death certificate.

I used the wildcard search M*cal*st*r for the surname to cover all the reasonable possibilities. Keep all the searches within Glasgow City in the county choice.

All the best,

AndrewP

PS (later) - I wish I had read the question properly - it is Robert's son Adam you were after, not Robert. I agree with you, no sign of any death for Adam in Scotland up to 1956, and no sign of him in the censuses of 1891 or 1901.

[Jockbird]

Hi Andrew,

At first when I read your reply I thought "that's it I've been a right numpty and have missed the obvious".....then I read your foot note.

Robert's covered, I've got him from his birth circa 1820 in Hamilton St, Glasgow (or that's what he said on his daughter's 1855 BC) right to his passing away in Buccleuch St in 1896, with all census in between.

It's just I've 5 of the 12 children that I'm trying to trace. A couple are females so I've some marriages to trawl, and Robert & Alexander I can trace to 1896 and 1891 respectively...haven't gone further at this stage and I was dealing with them in order of oldest first and Adam is the oldest 'missing' son.

There do not appear to be any clues as to where he ended up based on what I have at present. 1891 Robert's got daughters Florence & Evelyn with him and sons Robert and Alexander, son Robert being the informant on Robert Snrs DC.

Where oh where did he go?

Best wishes
Donna
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[AndrewP]

Hi Donna,

Alexander's death in Edinburgh is there, and from that you get his wife's name, and hence the marriage is straight forward to find from there. But sadly his best man was not one of his brothers (if only brother Adam had been the best man, at least you would have known he was alive at that time). Alexander is easy to select from a list as his middle name is there.

If only Robert had a middle name...

All the best,

Andrew

[SarahND]

Hi Donna,
No, I didn't find him in America , but is he this chap in Gillingham, Kent in 1891? The profession doesn't fit, but the rest does.

13 High Street
Isabella F Daley, head, 50, Licesnsed Victualler Pub, born Scotland Glasgow
Ada C ___, Daughter, 16, born Essex Writtle
Mabel J ___, daughter, 10, scholar, born Kent Rochester
Ethel ? C __, daughter, 9, scholar, born Kent Rochester
Adam McAlister, lodger, 29, Engine Fitter, born Scotland, Glasgow
Ellen E Roberts, lodger, 33, general servant, born India

Regards,
Sarah

Edit: sorry, I had initially mis-typed his age...

[Jockbird]

Hello!

Thanks for the info re Alexander, Andrew. Like you say when they use those middle names they aren't too hard to find and at least I know that Robert was in Buccleuch St until at least 1896, so I've places to go on for them and a start and an end for Alexander.

That's an interesting one Sarah. Although you may think the occupation doesn't fit...well not with a scene painter.....his older brother William, my Gx2 grandfather, was an Engine Machineman of various sorts in his time. If only he'd use those middle names, it's a pricey old effort to get the right one down in England. Definite food for thought.....thank you.

Donna
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p.s. thanks for checking he'd not wandered across the pond.x

[SarahND]

Hi Donna,
Can't find him later though, I'm afraid... There is a possible marriage in 1895, but no middle names either
Regards,
Sarah

[ihenderson73]

Hi Donna

I know that your original post was with regards to Adam McAllister. That was originally what caught my interest, but if you'll pardon me the intrusion, I'd like to go off-topic for a minute.

I see that you are researching Henderson, which just happens to be my own surname. I have extensive information on that family, and would be very interested to find out whether or not you have any further information about my clan.

Incidentally, I also have a McAllister in the family, a gentleman by the name of Hugh who married Martha Brown in 1873. I know absolutely nothing about him, except for the fact that he and Martha were married in Lanarkshire.

Best Wishes

[Jockbird]

Hello Ian,

I thought I recognised you from a previous thread re the Hendersons back in October when you were asking for anyone researching them.

For speed I'll cut & paste my oringial post to you:-

Hello,

Could you post some of your names/places of people at all? Having looked into Hendersons there are a lot of them about.

I have Hendersons in my family tree, they appear to originate from Gladsmuir/Haddington areas in East Lothian and I've got some certificates that provide information back to the late 1700s.

One part of the family moved across to Ayrshire in the late 1800s/early 1900s.

If you recognise any of this then let me know and I can share info.

The original couple that I have are James Henderson and Janet Edington who had their banns read in Prestonkirk & Gladsmuir in May 1793.

They had a daughter Margaret born 1796 and a son James born circa 1800 in Morham. James went onto marry Elizabeth Muir and they had 7 children that I know of, the family lived in Haddington for many years.

I'd be very interested to hear if anything fits in, as this is my grandmother's family line.

Best wishes
Donna