My GGgrandparents, John Douglass and Jannet McMichael, raised their family on Bougang Farm between Colmonell and Ballantrae, in Ayrshire. One son, John (my Ggrandfather) married and took his family to Canada in the late 1840s/early 1850s, but all the other children stayed in the area. I am trying to gather more info on their sons Robert and Daniel.
Robert (b 1811) married Elizabeth Alexander (b1808 Dailly) and had three children that I know of: John (b1838, d1842), Elizabeth A. (b1846), and Janet (b1836, d1910). I believe that Robert was a grocer on Main St, Colmonell for a number of years.
Daniel (b1816, d1879 Spenceston) was a farmer and married Alleson Cameron (b 1835, d1912 Spenceston). Their children were: Ann (b1860), Janet (b1862 d1910), Margaret (b1864), John (b1867), Jane (b1870), and Mary (b1872).
John and Jannet's other children were: William, James (m Agnes Malcolm), Janet (m William Drummond), Mary (m John Fergusson), and Isabella (m James Harvie).
Any information on any of the above would be greatly appreciated. Larry
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Hello, Larry!
It looks like you have the birth records of all of John & Jannet's children, their marriage & death records and the birth records of their children? What additional information are you hoping to find? Do you have them in all of the censuses? Just trying to narrow down what you have and what you are still looking for, so maybe we can help.
All the best,
Sarah
It looks like you have the birth records of all of John & Jannet's children, their marriage & death records and the birth records of their children? What additional information are you hoping to find? Do you have them in all of the censuses? Just trying to narrow down what you have and what you are still looking for, so maybe we can help.
All the best,
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Hi Larry
Welcome to TalkingScot!
In essence what I assume that you are doing is tracing forward to possible living relatives in Scotland
This is straightforward in the Scottish records, and you appear to have already a good amount of info, either via family records or your research to date. The use of middle names can greatly help, as long, of course, as they were reliably reportd in marriage and death records.
The process involved is exactly the same as researching backwards, but in reverse, i.e. tracking down marriages of children, their children, their marriages and deaths, and so on from generation to succeeding generation.
In the 1800s and early 1900s this can take a bit of effort, depending on the surnames involved and the extent to which families moved about or remained in the same place over several generations. The traditional Scottish naming pattern can be very helpful, as long as the families involved used it! Even more useful can be increasing use in the late 1800s of using previous generations' surnames as middle names.
While www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk can be very helpful, it can get expensive, depending on the surnames involved and movement. There is one very good on-line tool at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk , this being the ability to search for a married female on the basis of both her married and maiden surnames (or more than two if married more than once).
One sad problem can be getting male lines past WWI.
Once you have brought lines forward to the early decades of the 1900s, then the task becomes much simpler as there is extra info in the indexes, from 1929 onwards for births, and 1974 onwards for deaths. In both cases the extra info in these indexes is the maiden name of the mother.
For instance, let's say that you have found a marriage in 1910, - then one technique is to forget about births of children for the moment, but just jump forward to 1974 onwards and look for matches between the deceased's surname and mother's maiden surname (if is the deceased was female and married, her death record should also show her mother's name).
On www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk the birth indexes along with digitised images of the original birth register entries are available up to 1906, the same for marriages up to 1931, and deaths up to 1956.
For events after those dates, you will have to visit New Register House or one of a number of other locations around Scotland, or engage the services of a specialist researcher in Scotland
As an example of what can be done on line at minimal cost, it took me 20 seconds to find the death register entry for Elizabeth DOUGLAS Maiden Surname ALEXANDER. This shows her as a widow, thus providing an end date for the period in which to look for her husband's death; and, equally valuable, the informant is a son-in-law, which leads directly to the marriage of Robert BARBOUR and E A DOUGLAS (presumably Elizabeth), and then, again using the cross-check procedure, to the 1923 death of Elizabeth Annie BARBOUR MS DOUGLAS (A Scottish death record shows the names of both parents).
In the case of a couple of these records there's been a move a fair distance from Colmonell !
The latter informant for the latter death record shows the informant as a grandson, and it's a matter of a couple of minutes to find his birth register entry, check via his parents marriage record that this is the correct person, - on the death register entry, he only used his initials, - and then to his 1944 death, - a Managing Director, no less
, and he was married so that there could well be children, some of whom might just still be alive ..............
Censuses also can be a great help, both on-line at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and the 1881 CDs. Here is Elizabeth Annie in 1881, - (but her middle initial mistranscribed as "N")
Dwelling: Fernbank
Census Place: Troqueer, Kircudbright, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0224059 GRO Ref Volume 882 EnumDist 7 Page 44
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Robert BARBOUR M 46 M Dunscore, Dumfries, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Draper & Clothier
Elizabeth N. BARBOUR M 35 F Colmonell, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Douglas BARBOUR 14 F Troqueer, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Elizabeth A. BARBOUR 13 F Troqueer, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
James BARBOUR 11 M Troqueer, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
William BARBOUR 8 M Troqueer, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Hastings BARBOUR 1 M Troqueer, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Rel: Son
Margaret HANNAY U 28 F Troqueer, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Rel: Serv
Occ: Dom Serv General
Use of ages in censuses can make tracing possible marriage records easier on-line; and, using the year of birth +/- option on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk , make tracking down death records reasonably economical at least in terms of the required spend on credits, as, for example, the 1881 14 yr old Douglas!
David
Welcome to TalkingScot!
In essence what I assume that you are doing is tracing forward to possible living relatives in Scotland
This is straightforward in the Scottish records, and you appear to have already a good amount of info, either via family records or your research to date. The use of middle names can greatly help, as long, of course, as they were reliably reportd in marriage and death records.
The process involved is exactly the same as researching backwards, but in reverse, i.e. tracking down marriages of children, their children, their marriages and deaths, and so on from generation to succeeding generation.
In the 1800s and early 1900s this can take a bit of effort, depending on the surnames involved and the extent to which families moved about or remained in the same place over several generations. The traditional Scottish naming pattern can be very helpful, as long as the families involved used it! Even more useful can be increasing use in the late 1800s of using previous generations' surnames as middle names.
While www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk can be very helpful, it can get expensive, depending on the surnames involved and movement. There is one very good on-line tool at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk , this being the ability to search for a married female on the basis of both her married and maiden surnames (or more than two if married more than once).
One sad problem can be getting male lines past WWI.
Once you have brought lines forward to the early decades of the 1900s, then the task becomes much simpler as there is extra info in the indexes, from 1929 onwards for births, and 1974 onwards for deaths. In both cases the extra info in these indexes is the maiden name of the mother.
For instance, let's say that you have found a marriage in 1910, - then one technique is to forget about births of children for the moment, but just jump forward to 1974 onwards and look for matches between the deceased's surname and mother's maiden surname (if is the deceased was female and married, her death record should also show her mother's name).
On www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk the birth indexes along with digitised images of the original birth register entries are available up to 1906, the same for marriages up to 1931, and deaths up to 1956.
For events after those dates, you will have to visit New Register House or one of a number of other locations around Scotland, or engage the services of a specialist researcher in Scotland
As an example of what can be done on line at minimal cost, it took me 20 seconds to find the death register entry for Elizabeth DOUGLAS Maiden Surname ALEXANDER. This shows her as a widow, thus providing an end date for the period in which to look for her husband's death; and, equally valuable, the informant is a son-in-law, which leads directly to the marriage of Robert BARBOUR and E A DOUGLAS (presumably Elizabeth), and then, again using the cross-check procedure, to the 1923 death of Elizabeth Annie BARBOUR MS DOUGLAS (A Scottish death record shows the names of both parents).
In the case of a couple of these records there's been a move a fair distance from Colmonell !
The latter informant for the latter death record shows the informant as a grandson, and it's a matter of a couple of minutes to find his birth register entry, check via his parents marriage record that this is the correct person, - on the death register entry, he only used his initials, - and then to his 1944 death, - a Managing Director, no less
, and he was married so that there could well be children, some of whom might just still be alive ..............Censuses also can be a great help, both on-line at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and the 1881 CDs. Here is Elizabeth Annie in 1881, - (but her middle initial mistranscribed as "N")
Dwelling: Fernbank
Census Place: Troqueer, Kircudbright, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0224059 GRO Ref Volume 882 EnumDist 7 Page 44
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Robert BARBOUR M 46 M Dunscore, Dumfries, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Draper & Clothier
Elizabeth N. BARBOUR M 35 F Colmonell, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Douglas BARBOUR 14 F Troqueer, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Elizabeth A. BARBOUR 13 F Troqueer, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
James BARBOUR 11 M Troqueer, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
William BARBOUR 8 M Troqueer, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Hastings BARBOUR 1 M Troqueer, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Rel: Son
Margaret HANNAY U 28 F Troqueer, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Rel: Serv
Occ: Dom Serv General
Use of ages in censuses can make tracing possible marriage records easier on-line; and, using the year of birth +/- option on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk , make tracking down death records reasonably economical at least in terms of the required spend on credits, as, for example, the 1881 14 yr old Douglas!
David
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Hi Sarah and David. Thanks for your response. Sarah - The major gap in my current research is:
I have no proof that my GGgrandfather, John Douglass (b abt 1809, married Margaret Lowrie 1839 in Colmonell, living in Barr village in 1841 census, moved to Canada late 1840s/early 1850s) is the child of John Douglass (b abt 1777, d 17 Sep 1839 - this date from MI in Colmonell) and Jannet McMichael (b 1852 New Cumnock, d 1852 Colmonell). Also. the dob info on the elder John Douglass, who would be my GGGgrandfather, is based on census only and varies widely and I have no parental or place of birth for him either.
Although I have good info on Isabella, Janet, Robert, Daniel, and John (except as noted above) I have found little on William, James, and Mary. Closing these gaps would be most helpful.
David - Good to "talk" with you again. I was in your on line genealogy course about a year or so ago. You are correct about my interest in working the process backwards - or is it forwards - to identify living relatives. I used Robert and Daniel in my original post as I have more info on them and their families.
All of my info has come IGI, census, and some OPRs as there are no family records. A recent major break was an MI lookup for me in Colmonell that tied my John Douglass in Canada to the Douglass family that worked Bougang farm in Colmonell for many years. Hurrah for middle names! In this case, the last name of who I think is my GGGgrandmother, Janet McMichael, was used as a middle name for one of my GGgranfather's daughters in Canada.
Thank you for the Douglas/Barbour family info. I recently made that connection, but had not pursued it as yet. I must say that it took me much more than twenty seconds, however.
It appears that I must make use of Scotlands People if I am to bring my family forward. Do you have a good crib sheet for using SP? Thanks again for your insight and assistance. Larry
I have no proof that my GGgrandfather, John Douglass (b abt 1809, married Margaret Lowrie 1839 in Colmonell, living in Barr village in 1841 census, moved to Canada late 1840s/early 1850s) is the child of John Douglass (b abt 1777, d 17 Sep 1839 - this date from MI in Colmonell) and Jannet McMichael (b 1852 New Cumnock, d 1852 Colmonell). Also. the dob info on the elder John Douglass, who would be my GGGgrandfather, is based on census only and varies widely and I have no parental or place of birth for him either.
Although I have good info on Isabella, Janet, Robert, Daniel, and John (except as noted above) I have found little on William, James, and Mary. Closing these gaps would be most helpful.
David - Good to "talk" with you again. I was in your on line genealogy course about a year or so ago. You are correct about my interest in working the process backwards - or is it forwards - to identify living relatives. I used Robert and Daniel in my original post as I have more info on them and their families.
All of my info has come IGI, census, and some OPRs as there are no family records. A recent major break was an MI lookup for me in Colmonell that tied my John Douglass in Canada to the Douglass family that worked Bougang farm in Colmonell for many years. Hurrah for middle names! In this case, the last name of who I think is my GGGgrandmother, Janet McMichael, was used as a middle name for one of my GGgranfather's daughters in Canada.
Thank you for the Douglas/Barbour family info. I recently made that connection, but had not pursued it as yet. I must say that it took me much more than twenty seconds, however.
It appears that I must make use of Scotlands People if I am to bring my family forward. Do you have a good crib sheet for using SP? Thanks again for your insight and assistance. Larry
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That sounds good, but how confident are you that the MI info proves the Canadian-Colmonell link? The use of the middle name in Canada could be pure coincidence, or another, separate branch of the family that also, 2 or 3 generations later, was using a "shared" ancestral surname as a middle name.larryd wrote:.....snipped............
All of my info has come IGI, census, and some OPRs as there are no family records. A recent major break was an MI lookup for me in Colmonell that tied my John Douglass in Canada to the Douglass family that worked Bougang farm in Colmonell for many years. Hurrah for middle names! In this case, the last name of who I think is my GGGgrandmother, Janet McMichael, was used as a middle name for one of my GGgranfather's daughters in Canada.
Depending on your current level of proof, you may need to go looking for any trace of a John DOUGLAS in the Colmonell area after the date that you know "your" man had emigrated, just in case coincidence is playing a role here. I'm not aiming to be a "wet blanket", just to be realistic, before you invest the effort required to trace forward to probable living relatives.
(Incidentally, there is another technique that's worth a go; (a) look up the surnames in current telephone directories that cover Colmonell and Troqueer, and write some letters or ring the numbers !; and (b) place stories, - editors are often very open to such short stories, - or even ads, in relevant local newspapers.)
20 seconds was only that first female death. The rest took me maybe 10 minutes !larryd wrote:Thank you for the Douglas/Barbour family info. I recently made that connection, but had not pursued it as yet. I must say that it took me much more than twenty seconds, however.
See http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8559 , fairly obviously deriving from your scenario, - I realised that there wasn't a FAQ on tracing forward. It's difficult to know what more to advise. Unfortunately, if you are not that experienced in using ScotlandsPeople, - and that includes how the search engine handles Soundex and wildcards, the possible shortcuts including female death crosscheck searches, etc., - there will inevitably be a learning curve that will cost in terms of wasted credits.larryd wrote:It appears that I must make use of Scotlands People if I am to bring my family forward. Do you have a good crib sheet for using SP? Thanks again for your insight and assistance. Larry
As I wrote in the FAQ, there is an aspect where it's like trying to hit a moving target, e.g. the recent launch of the various Scottish censuses on Ancestry, in that they can be searched on more fields, as well as a given name only. I've yet to get my head round how this changes, if it does, the optimum search strategies.
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Re: Robert Douglass, Daniel Douglass and their families
Hi Larry,
I am the gt gt gt grand-daughter of John Douglas and Janet McMichael. (Janet was the daughter of Daniel McMichael, a farmer from New Cumnock, who married Margaret Shard )
They had four boys that I know of.....John (born ?) Robert (born 1806), Daniel (born 1816) and William (born 1823)
*******Daniel is my gt gt grandfather ( born at Upper Balhamie Farm, Colmonell 1816 and died at Spenceton Farm, Pinwherry 1879 ). He married Allison Cameron (b1828 d 912 )
Together they had six children:- Anne ( b 1861), Janet ( b 1863 ), Margaret my gt grandmother ( b1865 ), John ( b 1867 ), Jane ( b 1870 ) Mary ( b ? )
Margaret, my gt grandmother, married Hamilton Burton a local master blacksmith and they moved to Ochiltree in Ayrshire where they bought and operated a blacksmith/joinery business. They had a large family and one of the boys, Douglas, was my grandfather.
********Robert was a master grocer on Main St in the village of Colmonell, South Ayrshire. He married Elizabeth Alexander from the Parish of Dailly in South Ayrshire and they became parents to John ( b 1838 d1842 ) and Elizabeth (b 1846 d1923 ).
Elizabeth married Robert Barbour from the parish of Dunscore in Dumfriesshire (b 1834 d1912 ).
.******I have lots of information on William if you are interested in that branch of the family. Just let me know.
Although we're not a close-knit family most of us live locally in Southwest Scotland and are very proud of our Douglas connections and are loyal to our family ties. Welcome !
I am the gt gt gt grand-daughter of John Douglas and Janet McMichael. (Janet was the daughter of Daniel McMichael, a farmer from New Cumnock, who married Margaret Shard )
They had four boys that I know of.....John (born ?) Robert (born 1806), Daniel (born 1816) and William (born 1823)
*******Daniel is my gt gt grandfather ( born at Upper Balhamie Farm, Colmonell 1816 and died at Spenceton Farm, Pinwherry 1879 ). He married Allison Cameron (b1828 d 912 )
Together they had six children:- Anne ( b 1861), Janet ( b 1863 ), Margaret my gt grandmother ( b1865 ), John ( b 1867 ), Jane ( b 1870 ) Mary ( b ? )
Margaret, my gt grandmother, married Hamilton Burton a local master blacksmith and they moved to Ochiltree in Ayrshire where they bought and operated a blacksmith/joinery business. They had a large family and one of the boys, Douglas, was my grandfather.
********Robert was a master grocer on Main St in the village of Colmonell, South Ayrshire. He married Elizabeth Alexander from the Parish of Dailly in South Ayrshire and they became parents to John ( b 1838 d1842 ) and Elizabeth (b 1846 d1923 ).
Elizabeth married Robert Barbour from the parish of Dunscore in Dumfriesshire (b 1834 d1912 ).
.******I have lots of information on William if you are interested in that branch of the family. Just let me know.
Although we're not a close-knit family most of us live locally in Southwest Scotland and are very proud of our Douglas connections and are loyal to our family ties. Welcome !
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Re: Robert Douglass, Daniel Douglass and their families
Greetings Clarion.
Welcome to TalkingScot.
I see it was 2007 when Larry DOUGLAS last visited this site, so heres hoping that he still has the same email contact address that he registered with.
If you are not successful in making contact in the near future, please come back to this thread and we will have a look at finding other ways of making contact for you.
Alan SHARP.
Welcome to TalkingScot.
I see it was 2007 when Larry DOUGLAS last visited this site, so heres hoping that he still has the same email contact address that he registered with.
If you are not successful in making contact in the near future, please come back to this thread and we will have a look at finding other ways of making contact for you.
Alan SHARP.
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Re: Robert Douglass, Daniel Douglass and their families
Clarion,
Thanks for responding to my not-so-recent post re the Douglass family. I was absolutely thrilled as I read your post as I have been trying to find a connection between my direct line (John Douglass, who married Margaret Lowrie in Colmonell in 1839 and emigrated to Canada sometime in the 1840s or early 1850s, and the family of John Douglass and Jennet McMichael. My working assumption has been that my John (living in Barr village with wife Margaret (and her mother), daughter Elizabeth, and son John - my gt grandfather - in the 1841 census) was probably their first born. And there you are, a descendent of John's brother, Daniel. Hurrah!
I still have no date/place of birth info for John or his father or marriage data for John and Jennet so have not been able to take the line back. I've been in communication with the Barbour side, but not much interest there. Thanks for the info on Daniel and family. I have some facts on most of John and Jennet's children and their families, but always need more. I'll be glad to provide info on your Canadian and US cousins if you're interested.
As an aside, I did the DNA thing and am a member of the Douglas DNA project. Although I haven't found any close relatives yet, I have learned that we are connected to the Drumlanrig/Queensbury Douglas line. The haplotype is R1a1 in case you want to poke around in that area of genealogy.
Thanks again for posting and for the welcome! Hope we can keep this exchange going! Larry
Thanks for responding to my not-so-recent post re the Douglass family. I was absolutely thrilled as I read your post as I have been trying to find a connection between my direct line (John Douglass, who married Margaret Lowrie in Colmonell in 1839 and emigrated to Canada sometime in the 1840s or early 1850s, and the family of John Douglass and Jennet McMichael. My working assumption has been that my John (living in Barr village with wife Margaret (and her mother), daughter Elizabeth, and son John - my gt grandfather - in the 1841 census) was probably their first born. And there you are, a descendent of John's brother, Daniel. Hurrah!
I still have no date/place of birth info for John or his father or marriage data for John and Jennet so have not been able to take the line back. I've been in communication with the Barbour side, but not much interest there. Thanks for the info on Daniel and family. I have some facts on most of John and Jennet's children and their families, but always need more. I'll be glad to provide info on your Canadian and US cousins if you're interested.
As an aside, I did the DNA thing and am a member of the Douglas DNA project. Although I haven't found any close relatives yet, I have learned that we are connected to the Drumlanrig/Queensbury Douglas line. The haplotype is R1a1 in case you want to poke around in that area of genealogy.
Thanks again for posting and for the welcome! Hope we can keep this exchange going! Larry
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Re: Robert Douglass, Daniel Douglass and their families
Dear Larry,
It was a real surprise and joy to read your message. As your previous posting on the forum board had been made some time ago I was rather doubtful as to whether or not there would be a reply. In fact I have already sent a message to you on your private link. Hope you get that too. It's very exciting for me to discover transatlantic relations.
Thank you for the DNA information. My grampa always maintained that we were from the Red Douglases and not the Black Douglases ( It's a Scottish History thing.............. ) but we always laughed it off as fun . All can now be revealed !!!
(The Drumlanrig/Queensberry Estate is just outside Dumfries about 95 miles from Colmonell . The castle is fabulous and is owned by the Duke of Buccleuch.)
On the subject of DNA ; red or blonde hair is a characteristic of many of the descendants of your gt gt uncles Daniel and William. What about your branch of the family ?
On Monday, weather permitting, I'll be rootling about in the cemetries at Colmonell, Barr and Girvan so if I'll update you on that.
It was a real surprise and joy to read your message. As your previous posting on the forum board had been made some time ago I was rather doubtful as to whether or not there would be a reply. In fact I have already sent a message to you on your private link. Hope you get that too. It's very exciting for me to discover transatlantic relations.
Thank you for the DNA information. My grampa always maintained that we were from the Red Douglases and not the Black Douglases ( It's a Scottish History thing.............. ) but we always laughed it off as fun . All can now be revealed !!!
(The Drumlanrig/Queensberry Estate is just outside Dumfries about 95 miles from Colmonell . The castle is fabulous and is owned by the Duke of Buccleuch.)
On the subject of DNA ; red or blonde hair is a characteristic of many of the descendants of your gt gt uncles Daniel and William. What about your branch of the family ?
On Monday, weather permitting, I'll be rootling about in the cemetries at Colmonell, Barr and Girvan so if I'll update you on that.
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Re: Robert Douglass, Daniel Douglass and their families
Hi Larry,
It's me again. Have been going back over your messages and need some clarification. ( This genealogy can addle the brain ! )
Your original post says that John and Janet McMichael are your Gt Gt Grandparents but would I be right in thinking that they are actually your Gt Gt Gt Grandparents ?
gt gt gt John and Janet
gt gt John and Margaret ( who emigrated )
gt John
It's me again. Have been going back over your messages and need some clarification. ( This genealogy can addle the brain ! )
Your original post says that John and Janet McMichael are your Gt Gt Grandparents but would I be right in thinking that they are actually your Gt Gt Gt Grandparents ?
gt gt gt John and Janet
gt gt John and Margaret ( who emigrated )
gt John