The McCabes of Dundee

[Rab]

I really whizzed through my own family fairly quickly or so I thought. Now I'm doing a chart for my daughters and I've completed most of my wife's side as far as I can. It's been a nightmare though in comparison to my own. At the moment I am having real trouble with a family named McCabe. I have a few events but can't seem to pin them down in the censuses at all- I need to find out where they were born.

To give you an idea of what I'm doing here's a small image (The full image is A2 but I don't want to post that as it has alot of personal information and photos of the living). Basically my daughters are in the centre, their father's family is the top half and their mother's family in the bottom half. I felt this way they could also see their cousins, aunts, uncles and grandparents fairly clearly.



The 6 white squares at the bottom are the McCabes and this is the family I'm trying to find more info on- any help would be appreciated.

Catherine McCabe was born in 1869 in Dundee, the daughter of Patrick McCabe and Rose Lynch. Her parents married in Dundee in 1868. She had a sister named Bridget who was born in 1870 but died in 1872. As a result of that birth her mother Rose died (in 1870). The father's occupation was given as "Foundry Labourer".

Try as I might I just cannot find Patrick and his two daughters (Catherine and Bridget) on the 1871 census. I can't find the survivors thereafter and cannot find a death for Patrick. Catherine married Peter Grattan in Dundee in 1896 and then I can find her in the 1901 census.

Even before Catherine was born I cannot find her parents. Using their marriage as a guide Patrick McCabe was born around 1846, the son of Michael McCabe (Labourer) and Bridget Smith. Rose McCabe, formerly Lynch, was born around 1842 to Peter Lynch (Farmer) and Catherine Clark.

I'm just trying to find the following. I suspect the parents of at least one may have been Irish so might not be located:

Patrick McCabe, b. c1846- where born and when did he die?
Rose McCabe, ms Lynch, (c1842-1870)- where born?

Michael McCabe- Where born and when?
Bridget McCabe, ms Smith- Where born and when?

Peter Lynch- Where born and when?
Catherine Lynch, ms Clark- Where born and when?

[nelmit]

Hi Rab,

He was probably hiding up the same close as my David Mitchell.

Did you know Patrick married again in 1872? Still doesn't help mind you. I can't find her death on SP.

Best wishes,
Annette


PS Looks like you've been very busy. Have you been neglecting they weans?

[Jack]

Hi Rab,
Try searching for Patrick as McABE in St. Clement, Dundee for 1871 census.
He's with his brother Thomas.
Jack
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ps, i have to say; it's a very attractive chart. Well done!
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pps, just realised that wee Bridget McCABE (b.20 Oct 1870) isn't with her father Patrick in 1871.
(daur Cathrine aged 2yrs is - as niece to Thomas McAbe)
But there is a Bridget McCABE (6mos) as a gr-daur with a Luke BURNS & Mary TUMLTY.
Hope these names make sense....
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[nelmit]

Rab,

Have you checked the death of a Patrick McCabe in 1875?

I'm fairly sure this must be Ann (his second wife) and Catherine in 1881.

Dwelling: 2 Brewery Lane
Census Place: Liff & Benvie, Forfar, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203481 GRO Ref Volume 282-2 EnumDist 8 Page 47
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Catherine REILLY W 40 F Ireland
Rel: Head
Occ: Jute Preparer
Ann MC CABE W 37 F Ireland
Rel: Boarder
Occ: Jute Preparer
Catherine MC CABE 12 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Boarder
Occ: Scholar

Best wishes,
Annette M

[DorothyCoe]

Sorry I can't help at all with your query but I have to say what a fabulous tree! How did you achieve that? Is it commercial software? It's really impressive and the way it's set out is really useful for seeing cousins and links.

[Rab]

@Annette- Thanks for the mail. I didn't know he'd remarried in 1872 which obviously helps enormously. It looks like you are spot on with that 1881 census find which is great and helps me piece things together.

I wish I had posted this earlier before wasting about 30 credits on Partick McCabe deaths. One of the ones I didn't check was the 1875 death because the age looked out by a fair bit. He claimed to be 22 when he married in 1868 which would have made him 29 in 1875 not 40. I don't know how you came to that conclusion but as usual you were spot on. It was him so thank you very much for that.

PS- You are quite right I have been busy. My wife took the kids to Euro Disney with her family a couple of weeks ago so I done the bulk of this while they are away. As much as I try they won't let me neglect them now they are back. It's not easy typing with a 2 year old sitting on your lap poking you in the eye.

@Jack- Thanks for that information as that now has them nailed in 1871 too. That's definitely them and you have saved me much head banging.

The granddaughter Bridget doesn't appear to be the same one as those names are not those of her grandparents and were all deceased at the time. I can only think that Bridget may have been in a hostpital of some sort as she was very poorly.

@DorothyCoe- Thanks. It's not using any software I'm afraid. It's just done in Paint Shop Pro as I felt the standard charts quite restrictive for what I wanted to do. Hopefully when it's finished I can get it printed off and maybe even framed. Doing it this way is definitely the long way round but as I had a bit of time on my hands I thought I would have a crack at it.

[nelmit]

Hi Rab,

It might be worth contacting The Friends of Dundee City Archives.
Obviously he may not be your Michael MCabe and these poorhouse applicationsare not as informative as Glasgow's (I had one of my own) but worth a try anyway.

Best wishes,
Annette M

[Russell]

Hey Rab

We obviously have a different kind of talent in our midst

None of this

It's not using any software I'm afraid. It's just done in Paint Shop Pro as I felt the standard charts quite restrictive for what I wanted to do.

Dorothy obviously recognizes that talent. Its a great chart and must have taken hours to get it all balanced up.
It puts Family Tree makers version totally in the shade. You might get commissions from some of us less skilled, less artistic folks

Russell

[Rab]

Thanks for the kind words. It did take alot of work but it's been worth it now that it is almost complete.

Cheers for the input on the McCabes which has really helped immensely. It's looking alot better now. I can't find Patrick in the 1861 census but can find his brother Thomas. It looks very likely that he came to Scotland after 1861 and maybe Thomas was the pioneer in that regard. I'll just have to take it as read that his parents were Irish.

As for Rose Lynch I've still not been able to confirm that she is Irish. There are a couple of suspects in the 1861 census but nothing to really cross reference with. I'll keep at it though. When people die so young having arrived from another country it's difficult to catch them at the right time.

[Jack]

Hi Rab,
Just some thoughts on wee Bridget (6mos) in the 1871 census as a "gr-daur" of Luke Burns & Mary Tumlty.

Seems there are only two Bridget McCABES born in Dundee 1870 that might have been around 6 mos old on the census.
(maybe there are more born about Sep/Oct/Nov 1870, but i couldn't find any)
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BRIDGET MCCABE - Birth: 04 SEP 1870 Dundee, Angus, Scotland
Parents: MICHAEL MCCABE & MARY GORVAN

BRIDGET MCCABE - Birth: 20 OCT 1870 Dundee, Angus, Scotland
Parents: PATRICK MCCABE & ROSE LYNCH
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The first is accounted for in 1871 & 1881 with her parents Michael & Mary.
The second one is, of course, yours.
But the only Bridget i can see to be yours is this "gr-daur" of Luke Burns & Mary Tumlty.
I know it's the wrong gr-parents, but i'd been thinking "gr-daur" was an error, and that wee Bridget was boarding with them?
I'd been hoping that they were connected in some way to your McCabes,
and that you may have come across their names at some time in your searches.
A rather tenuous link is that both Patrick McCabe & Luke Burns were foundry workers.
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Pure speculation of course it was meant to boarder; but then who is this wee Bridget with Luke?
And more important, where is your Bridget if this isn't her?!
Can't see another suitable wee lass of 6 mos old of the same name elsewhere....
But it may well be me that just can't find her!
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Jack